Comments for American Vision http://americanvision.org Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:59:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 Comment on Relationship vs. Purpose: How the Church Destroys the Christian Family by Arrow http://americanvision.org/5555/relationship-vs-purpose-how-the-church-destroys-the-christian-family/comment-page-1/#comment-269790 Arrow Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:59:24 +0000 http://americanvision.org/?p=5555#comment-269790 Well, moral law is revealed word for word in the bible, and is the basis for our western legal system. And it was Christians who made that happen. So, I think it is a little hasty to say that Christians should not be involved in politics to see to it that God's laws are upheld. Easy? No. Important? Yes. It is what we inherited from many generations before us, and we would be wise to improve upon it rather than neglect it. Well, moral law is revealed word for word in the bible, and is the basis for our western legal system. And it was Christians who made that happen. So, I think it is a little hasty to say that Christians should not be involved in politics to see to it that God’s laws are upheld. Easy? No. Important? Yes. It is what we inherited from many generations before us, and we would be wise to improve upon it rather than neglect it.

]]> Comment on Relationship vs. Purpose: How the Church Destroys the Christian Family by Ruth http://americanvision.org/5555/relationship-vs-purpose-how-the-church-destroys-the-christian-family/comment-page-1/#comment-269766 Ruth Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:20:31 +0000 http://americanvision.org/?p=5555#comment-269766 Moral law is a universal that God has put into every human. We aren't able to enforce it or follow it accurately because we are in a broken state in need of redemption. We were made to be in fellowship with God. Christ came to fill the gap and will redeem us when he comes back. I don't think any human is able to properly enforce moral law. We still should try. Starting in our own lives. The issue of justice does bother me especially when I read about the Eugenics movement and genocide going on today. Moral law is a universal that God has put into every human. We aren’t able to enforce it or follow it accurately because we are in a broken state in need of redemption. We were made to be in fellowship with God. Christ came to fill the gap and will redeem us when he comes back. I don’t think any human is able to properly enforce moral law. We still should try. Starting in our own lives. The issue of justice does bother me especially when I read about the Eugenics movement and genocide going on today.

]]> Comment on Relationship vs. Purpose: How the Church Destroys the Christian Family by Arrow http://americanvision.org/5555/relationship-vs-purpose-how-the-church-destroys-the-christian-family/comment-page-1/#comment-269762 Arrow Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:03:18 +0000 http://americanvision.org/?p=5555#comment-269762 By the way, I agree with you wholeheartedly about politicians using Christ's name as a political prop. It's disgusting and practiced by 90% of Republicans. A few of us are not fooled. By the way, I agree with you wholeheartedly about politicians using Christ’s name as a political prop. It’s disgusting and practiced by 90% of Republicans. A few of us are not fooled.

]]> Comment on Relationship vs. Purpose: How the Church Destroys the Christian Family by Arrow http://americanvision.org/5555/relationship-vs-purpose-how-the-church-destroys-the-christian-family/comment-page-1/#comment-269760 Arrow Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:58:03 +0000 http://americanvision.org/?p=5555#comment-269760 Ruth, if you are not against moral law, who would you expect to implement it? Ruth, if you are not against moral law, who would you expect to implement it?

]]> Comment on Relationship vs. Purpose: How the Church Destroys the Christian Family by Ruth http://americanvision.org/5555/relationship-vs-purpose-how-the-church-destroys-the-christian-family/comment-page-1/#comment-269746 Ruth Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:29:59 +0000 http://americanvision.org/?p=5555#comment-269746 Our country is more religious now than ever. I'm not against moral law. I think politicians abuse Christs name. Yes social radicals who call themselves conservatives would call me a communist or socialist though I support a capitalist economy and freedom. Our country is more religious now than ever. I’m not against moral law. I think politicians abuse Christs name. Yes social radicals who call themselves conservatives would call me a communist or socialist though I support a capitalist economy and freedom.

]]> Comment on Relationship vs. Purpose: How the Church Destroys the Christian Family by Ruth http://americanvision.org/5555/relationship-vs-purpose-how-the-church-destroys-the-christian-family/comment-page-1/#comment-269743 Ruth Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:17:46 +0000 http://americanvision.org/?p=5555#comment-269743 The law is there to protect the rights of the people. when one person hinders another person from practicing their rights the law should intervene. The law is there to protect the rights of the people. when one person hinders another person from practicing their rights the law should intervene.

]]> Comment on Relationship vs. Purpose: How the Church Destroys the Christian Family by Jim Betterton http://americanvision.org/5555/relationship-vs-purpose-how-the-church-destroys-the-christian-family/comment-page-1/#comment-269723 Jim Betterton Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:27:46 +0000 http://americanvision.org/?p=5555#comment-269723 There would be "no" Christian family without the church, the body of Jesus Christ. Everything else is secondary to the body of Christ. Jesus died and rose for "each" and "everyone". Male, female. The body of Christ is what Jesus Christ is returning for. He is not concerned about how we categorize "men" or "women". He loves us all and sees us with all of our flaws. That is why He did what he did (I Corinthians 15:1-4). Aren't we glad and hopeful as a result!!! There would be “no” Christian family without the church, the body of Jesus Christ. Everything else is secondary to the body of Christ. Jesus died and rose for “each” and “everyone”. Male, female. The body of Christ is what Jesus Christ is returning for. He is not concerned about how we categorize “men” or “women”. He loves us all and sees us with all of our flaws. That is why He did what he did (I Corinthians 15:1-4). Aren’t we glad and hopeful as a result!!!

]]> Comment on Relationship vs. Purpose: How the Church Destroys the Christian Family by Arrow http://americanvision.org/5555/relationship-vs-purpose-how-the-church-destroys-the-christian-family/comment-page-1/#comment-269704 Arrow Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:37:42 +0000 http://americanvision.org/?p=5555#comment-269704 Wonderful article. Great posts. Sorely needed subject. Christian men are constantly browbeaten and belittled in church for not being the leaders that they should be, and as a result are on an extended guilt trip, while being forbidden to really take leadership in so many critical areas. Wonderful article. Great posts. Sorely needed subject.

Christian men are constantly browbeaten and belittled in church for not being the leaders that they should be, and as a result are on an extended guilt trip, while being forbidden to really take leadership in so many critical areas.

]]> Comment on Relationship vs. Purpose: How the Church Destroys the Christian Family by Arrow http://americanvision.org/5555/relationship-vs-purpose-how-the-church-destroys-the-christian-family/comment-page-1/#comment-269699 Arrow Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:28:38 +0000 http://americanvision.org/?p=5555#comment-269699 Ruth, what do you mean when you oppose "enforcing Christian morals through law"? I always have been pretty happy with laws against theft, murder, fraud, and the like. Are you proposing anarchy, or Communism, or just what? Ruth, what do you mean when you oppose “enforcing Christian morals through law”?

I always have been pretty happy with laws against theft, murder, fraud, and the like. Are you proposing anarchy, or Communism, or just what?

]]> Comment on Relationship vs. Purpose: How the Church Destroys the Christian Family by Alex Alexander http://americanvision.org/5555/relationship-vs-purpose-how-the-church-destroys-the-christian-family/comment-page-1/#comment-269692 Alex Alexander Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:11:03 +0000 http://americanvision.org/?p=5555#comment-269692 Bojidar, You just described the enormous vacuum of being a Christian man today. I know exactly what you mean when you say that if a man doesn't get purpose in the church he'll find it elsewhere. My wife and I have been to one church after another where we get spoon-fed the same baby-food rations: "Get saved; have a relationship with Jesus. That's it!" So dire is the state of many/most "evanjellybaby*" churches that most pew-sitters today do not even have the concepts, doctrinal awareness, or even vocabularly to understand the important things you have so eloquently shared. Anyone got a spare wall on which I can bang my head? Is there anyone over here in the UK that "gets it"...? Alex A UK * A "jelly baby" is a soft, sugary sweet. Ideal for those with gums but no teeth... Hey — that's the average Christian male! Bojidar,
You just described the enormous vacuum of being a Christian man today. I know exactly what you mean when you say that if a man doesn’t get purpose in the church he’ll find it elsewhere. My wife and I have been to one church after another where we get spoon-fed the same baby-food rations: “Get saved; have a relationship with Jesus. That’s it!”
So dire is the state of many/most “evanjellybaby*” churches that most pew-sitters today do not even have the concepts, doctrinal awareness, or even vocabularly to understand the important things you have so eloquently shared.
Anyone got a spare wall on which I can bang my head?
Is there anyone over here in the UK that “gets it”…?
Alex A
UK
* A “jelly baby” is a soft, sugary sweet. Ideal for those with gums but no teeth… Hey — that’s the average Christian male!

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