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Published on June 13th, 2012 | by Nathaniel Darnell

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Winston Churchill’s Choice Words for Obama’s “Gay Pride Month”

 

This month the U.S. federal government has officially endorsed America’s fourth “Gay Pride Month” in the last dozen years. President Bill Clinton originally declared June “Gay Pride Month” in June of 2000, and President Barack Obama has continued that tradition ever since June 2009.(1) These declarations foreshadowed his announcement shortly before Mother’s Day last month which made him the first President in the history of the United States to executively communicate moral and political support for changing the historical, common law, statutory and biblical definition of marriage to sanction the ability of two men or two women to marry.

But the West’s great political heroes of only a few generations past had starkly different expressions toward homosexuality (sodomy).

[get_product id="52" align="right" size="small"]In 1919, after Lenin had led the Soviets to slaughter the entire Russian royal family and then set up the Cheka (his own version of the Gestapo) to hunt down all opponents of Marxism, Winston Churchill like many westerners became aghast to hear the news. He told the cabinet that Lenin and Trotsky should be captured and hanged, “as the object upon whom justice will be executed, however long it takes, and to make them feel that their punishment will become an important object of British policy.”(2)

He told the Dundee electors that the Bolsheviks were reducing Russia “to an animal form of barbarism,” maintaining themselves by “bloody and wholesale butcheries and murders carried out to large extent by Chinese executions and armored cars. . . . Civilization is being completely extinguished[.]“

But perhaps Churchill’s most telling words were communicated to Lloyd George. Churchill wrote: “You might as well legalize sodomy as recognize the Bolsheviks.”(3)

Say what? Yes, you read that correctly. Winston Churchill, speaking for all of western society in his day, not only summarized the disdain people should feel toward the evils of Lenin’s Communism but also expressed how utterly unthinkable his generation considered legalized sodomy. Let alone celebrating it. He sensed sodomy was such an unquestionable evil that he felt confident in comparing it to something else he knew to be just as evil so as to effectively convey his moral outrage.

 

Where is the moral outrage of this generation? Today, in contrast we not only have legalized sodomy, but we celebrate sodomy along with communism publicly, as our new civil leaders encourage us. In this day of  self-indulgence and  “tolerance,” we’re running short on the morally unthinkable.

Churchill’s generation reflected one less removed from the influence of Christendom — a revival that began in the fifteenth century and saw its height between the sixteenth and seventeenth century with the rise of the Reformers and the Puritans. The momentum of influence that movement had on western culture moved forward with such great force during its time that it has been slow in diminishing, despite all the barriers raised by the Enlightenment, Darwinism, Marxism, Pluralism, Post-Modernism, and other God-opposing ideologies of men. And now, even in the midst of a month when unthinkable evil is being celebrated around America, we are beginning to see Christians once again opening up the lost book of the Law and echoing the cries of the Reformers and Puritans: Sola Scriptura!

When the Lord first made man, even before He commanded him not to eat of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, He established for man a basic, universal principle when he gave man woman to enjoy as his helpmeet. “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh,” says Genesis 2:24. Again, Ephesians 5:31 repeats: “For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.”

God’s moral principle is clear. Marriage was designed by the Lord to be between a man and a woman. To do any other is an act of direct rebellion against the Lord of Glory, the Creator, the Sovereign. To reject God’s design for marriage (and as a facet of it, sexuality) is to do the unthinkable.

It is one thing to encourage our citizens not to take the law into their own hands or not to act ungraciously to fellow sinners in need of repentance and salvation. It is quite another to encourage a people living in sin to be unashamed — indeed “proud” — of on-going commissions of an act God calls “an abomination.” (See Leviticus 18:22.)

 Endnotes:

  1. See the Presidential Proclamation on June 1, 2012 declaring June “Gay Pride Month” at this link to the official White House site.()
  2. Quoted by Martin Gilbert in R.S. Churchill and Martin Gilbert, Winston S. Churchill, Vol. IV, p. 225 (London, 1966).()
  3. Ibid. 362-364.()
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Nathaniel Darnell holds his juris doctorate from Oak Brook College of Law and serves as the Director of Ministry Advancement at American Vision. He is the author of the novel "Glory, Duty, & Gold Dome" and the producer of over 100 commercial videos. Before working as the Director of the Video Department at Vision Forum Ministries for five years, he served for eight years as a legislative aide at the Georgia State Capitol.



84 Responses to Winston Churchill’s Choice Words for Obama’s “Gay Pride Month”

  1. Bjorn Aigan says:

    How do I say this? Perhaps Sir Winston is not the hook you want to hang your argument on…

    Please check your history of Churchill for reference to his connection to “Ivar Novello” (writer of the WW I song, Keep the Home Fires Burning.

  2. Robin says:

    (I congratulate AV & would like to share this forthright message found on the web.)

    OBAMA PROMOTES PUBLIC SEX
    (and thinks children have a “right” to see it!)

    Google “Zombietime” and click on “Up Your Alley Fair.” After recovering from the uncensored photos (!), Yahoo or Google “God to Same-Sexers: Hurry Up” on the “ucmpage” (even Jesus told Judas to hurry up – John 13:27). Also Yahoo “Dangerous Radicals of the Religious Right.” View these before the predicted California earthquake happens a la Rev.16:19 (“the cities of the nations fell”) – and before meteorological “lows” like hurricanes and tornadoes which predictably reflect society’s “lows.” Gays have invented strange architecture – closets no longer opening on to bedrooms but on to public Main Streets where children can watch police-protected sex between naked men in “Madam” Nancy Pelosi’s brothel district! I wonder how soon San Fransicko’s underground saint – San Andreas – will get a big jolt out of what goes on above him and will suddenly change the political center-left into the EPICENTER-LEFT!
    Since Luke 17′s predicted “days of Lot” (see Genesis 19) immediately precede the Second Coming, gays and gay-loving SF politicians are hurrying up, and thus helping to fulfill, Christ’s return as Judge and making the Bible even more believable! Not one to mince words, Jesus said in Mark 9:42 that anyone hurting a child in any way deserves to be hanged and have his body thrown into the ocean – and that includes any President whose favorite drink seems to be infanti-cider! It’s far from coincidental that the more America elevates gays and other violence, the more the cost of gas, food etc. goes up! If America is smart, it will pick up the big dust-covered book everyone owns and almost never reads – no, not the Sears catalog – and find out that the One who made the universe has some rights too!
    Also Google “Obama a Black-Slavery Avenger?,” “Michelle Obama’s Allah-day,” and “Islam Will Purify Jews and Christians.”
    PS – New pro-life slogans: “Unborn babies should have the right to keep and bear arms – and legs and ears and eyes etc.!” & “Unborn babies should have the same right to be born alive that abortionists had!”

    (Obama and his porn-protecting California friends – including Brown and Pelosi – did NOT approve of this message.)

    • Wade says:

      “Not one to mince words, Jesus said in Mark 9:42 that anyone hurting a child in any way deserves to be hanged and have his body thrown into the ocean – and that includes any President whose favorite drink seems to be infanti-cider!”

      It’s comments like this that continue to astonish me with regard to the “lambs” who follow Jesus. Let me give you the actual quote from the NASV:

      “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe to stumble, it would be better for him if, with a heavy millstone hung around his neck, he had been cast into the sea.”

      I’ll also remind anyone “quoting” Jesus, whether in this specious, self-serving fashion or are simply forgetful that Jesus didn’t appear to write down any of his own material, that the portion that is always left out of your preamble to such things is basically, “Someone WROTE that Jesus said.” This is almost invariably shortened to simply, “Jesus said,” with all of the predictable ascriptions to his character (“not one to mince words”)

      Robin, the best lies are the ones that hold a little truth – and you have that nailed here. You’ve given just enough to keep the like-minded gobbling up the slop. The rest is cliche and rumor mongering – including your misrepresentation of the quotation from Mark.

  3. aCultureWarrior says:

    “This would not, should not involve the state invading anyone’s bedrooms, but it does mean that sodomy is pushed into the underground as something shameful rather than flaunted as something to be “proud” concerning.”

    We’re in total agreement that sodomites and their well orchestrasted agenda, i.e. the “purveyors of sex and violence” need to (as Pat Buchanan eloquently said) “be chased back beneath the rocks whence they came.”

    But let me ask you this Nate: If it were man-boy “love” going on in “anyone’s bedroom”, bestiality, incest or necrophila, would it then be grounds to “invade anyone’s bedroom”? (of course with a search warrant issued first).

    Don’t be PC with sexual sins Nate, God abhors all perversion.

  4. Frank Fong says:

    “Gay Pride Month” is a time of celebration for those sodomites and their supporters to “. . . glory in their shame . . .” (Philippians 3:19).

    They are treasuring up for themselves the wrath of God on the Day of Judgement (Romans 2:5).

    Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do (Luke 23:34).

  5. Jefferson says:

    [Hello, Nathaniel. Great blog. Here's what I discovered on the surprising web.]

    OBAMA PROMOTES PUBLIC SEX
    (and thinks children have a “right” to see it!)

    Google “Zombietime” and click on “Up Your Alley Fair.” After recovering from the uncensored photos (!), Yahoo or Google “God to Same-Sexers: Hurry Up” on the “ucmpage” (even Jesus told Judas to hurry up – John 13:27). Also Yahoo “Dangerous Radicals of the Religious Right.” View these before the predicted California earthquake happens a la Rev.16:19 (“the cities of the nations fell”) – and before meteorological “lows” like hurricanes and tornadoes which predictably reflect society’s “lows.” Gays have invented strange architecture – closets no longer opening on to bedrooms but on to public Main Streets where children can watch police-protected sex between naked men in “Madam” Nancy Pelosi’s brothel district! I wonder how soon San Fransicko’s underground saint – San Andreas – will get a big jolt out of what goes on above him and will suddenly change the political left into the EPICENTER-LEFT!
    Since Luke 17′s predicted “days of Lot” (see Genesis 19) immediately precede the Second Coming, gays and gay-loving SF politicians are hurrying up, and thus helping to fulfill, Christ’s return as Judge and making the Bible even more believable! Not one to mince words, Jesus said in Mark 9:42 that anyone hurting a child in any way deserves to be hanged and have his body thrown into the ocean – and that includes any President whose favorite drink seems to be infanti-cider! It’s far from coincidental that the more America elevates gays and other violence, the more the cost of gas, food etc. goes up! If America is smart, it will pick up the big dust-covered book everyone owns and almost never reads – no, not the Sears catalog – and find out that the One who made the universe has some rights too!
    Also Google “Obama a Black-Slavery Avenger?,” “Michelle Obama’s Allah-day,” and “Islam Will Purify Jews and Christians.”
    PS – New pro-life slogans: “Unborn babies should have the right to keep and bear arms – and legs and ears and eyes etc.!” & “Unborn babies should have the same right to be born alive that abortionists had!”

    (Obama and his porn-protecting California friends – including Brown and Pelosi – did NOT approve of this message.)

  6. John Tashjian says:

    I agree with the one who posted that, in nature, two male animals cannot “love” each other any more that two female animals cannot “love” each other. Biologically, naturally, zoologically, that is the way “lower” animals work where procreation is involved. That is the way Our Lord made them…and us.

  7. Wonderful article containing historical information I did not know! Thank you so much for sharing and may the good Lord bless you as you stand firm on His Word.

    • Nathaniel Darnell says:

      We appreciate your kind feedback, Angela. Thank you for reading and linking to the article. Glad you found it helpful. Blessings!

  8. Katy Anders says:

    If gay pride is celebrating sex, then Black History Month is celebrating melanin.

    I know it’s a tough concept for folks to get there heads around at times – and I consider the whole exercise sort of silly – but it really seems to be more about not being ashamed of one’s identity more than it is a public proclamation of sex.

    It’s sort of weird to see the trumpeting of cite Churchill’s equation of a totalitarian system with private bedroom conduct, but hey….

    Some people get morally outraged by the abuse of great economic, religious, and political power and the repercussions those abuses have on society… and some people get morally outraged by what they think people are doing in their own bedrooms.

  9. M.J. Martin says:

    We know the human genome project is complete and homosexuality is not a genetic disorder. There is NO gay gene, so whatever the cause you are not born that way.

    I wonder if those claiming sex attraction think they are the only people struggling against thier inclinations? Some have addictions to drugs, sex, or gambling. Others, struggle with tendencies to be dishonest or cheat on business deals.
    Some covet your neighbors ‘stuff’ or maybe even their neighbor’s spouse and fall victim to the sin of adultry. We have no shortage of ways to sin, the only difference is, the rest of us don’t try to put our misbehavior off as something to celebrate. What is up with that?

    If we can over come whatever it is that takes us off the narrow path, this victory is something to celebrate, and I think the Lord is grateful when we are willing to put him before our own desires. The more powerful the desire, the greater the victory.

    I urge you all to read how one young man answered God’s call. It is a victory worth proclaiming. Copy and paste the link below into your search engine. You won’t be sorry.

    http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/club-unicorn-i-am-a-gay-devout-mormon-happily-married-to-a-woman-with-three

    that I doubt many could escape

    • Katy Anders says:

      This is clearly and overwhelmingly wrong.

      The mapping of the gene has NOTHING to do with knowing what each segment of the DNA does.

      At all.

      As it stands, LGBT folks certainly cannot say that there is any evidence that it’s genetic, but neither can the anti-equality folks say it’s definitely not.

      I hear this “But the human genome project!” argument all of the time, and it doesn’t mean what you think it means.

    • Wade says:

      MJ, I have to a agree with Katy.

      “We know the human genome project is complete and homosexuality is not a genetic disorder. There is NO gay gene, so whatever the cause you are not born that way.”

      You might feel that you can say with confidence that there is an absence of a particular gene (which would be an erroneous assertion). But what about something more innocuous than sexuality? Which is the gene responsible for blue eyes? With all of this comprehensive knowledge of the genome, do YOU know which on it is? (Hint: It’s not ONE gene – and if something as “simple” as eye color is determined by several genes, I wonder how many genes, combined with hormonal conditions, environment, etc. are required to determine something as complex as sexual attraction and emotional bonding.)

      Are you willing to become more informed? Or is this simply settled for you as an answer to “I was born that way.” It should be noted that gay people are probably about as likely to be uninformed with regard to genetics, endocrinology and biochemistry and jump to conclusions, as well, so this is not a “picking on believers – or straight people” thing.

  10. foxyfluff says:

    Well it was a different time back when Churchill lived. Back then too,people who weren’t white had to use different facilities like different drinking fountains,sit in the back of the bus,plus back then you could be discriminated against for being Black. Times change,and people change with the times.

    • M.J. Martin says:

      FoxyFluff….
      The only thing that makes something true is if it is unchanging. Either the bible is true, or it isn’t and every generation does not get to spin it until it meets with values of the day.
      He told the Jews to keep holy the Sabbath. God has not printed a retraction on the commandments. The Sabbath rule still stands. Because the Lord performed a work of mercy on the Sabbath, we can to that also. That should allow those working in hospitals a clear conscience.
      The bible is a literary work. Reading it word for word renders it a useless document. Reading it in context of the message it is timeless. For example, regarding Lev. 21:20…. God wasn’t talking about getting into heaven. He was talking about how to go about making a worthy offering of atonement in the temple and He utilized an archetype to teach the people how important it was to be ‘worthy’ of God and the need to seek forgiveness and make atonement. So the people learned that culling out a sick sheep to be offered wasn’t ok. They also learned a Messiah would be necessary to meet the requirement of a perfect high priest. So the archetype was also a foreshadowing of the coming of the Messiah who would liberate us all from sin. He would be the unblemished lamb. He would be the High Priest that was without blame that would make the offering for all. However, even though being without blemish to get into heaven isn’t exactly what is being discussed there, I do affirm that perfection is a mandate to get into heaven. We don’t call those in heaven saints for nothing. We are supposed to go through the ‘narrow’ gate remember?
      Lev. 11:10, that you aren’t supposed to divorce and remarry. Nothing has changed there. We’re still not supposed to divorce and remarry. The more orthodox churches still practice this teaching to this day. Likewise, the rest of that passage in Deuteronomy 22: 20-21 makes clear what the law was about…..putting evil away from among God’s people. This is what parents are called to do today for their children. This is why schools shouldn’t teach that homosexuality is just another way of looking at things, like the gay community wants us to do. That passage makes it pretty clear that we don’t engage in a celebration with those who are celebrating sin.
      Children who curse their parents are to be killed Leviticus 20:9.. That is another one of those old nasty commandments. God only refers to the ‘dead’ as those who are condemned to hell. That said in Deut. 20: 8 , “ Keep my precepts…..I am the Lord that sanctify you.” The end of vs.9 if he curses his parents, then ‘Let him die……let his blood be upon him.” God says, “Let him die,” because as far as He is concerned by cursing your parents you’ve condemned yourself to hell so why bother tending to his body, if the soul is headed to hell.
      Foxy you are so right. This generation is less versed in what is right and wrong than people have been for generations. That ‘greatest generation’ was really good about a lot of things, but all of those returning veterans moved off the farm and out of the inner cities to the suburbs and they parented their children unlike any generation before them. The children were allowed to have more freedom, more free time, more material things. Their children, the sixties generation, grew up thinking that everything should be questioned and redefined. More than any other generation, social morays and tradition values even belief in God is up for debate. Two generations later, and according to Churchill we are celebrating what he rightly defined as preposterous.
      We come a long, long way from Kansas. We will needs God’s help and grace to find our way back.

  11. Ralph Zecco says:

    What gets me the most is that we have homosexuals who claim to be a “Christian homosexual”. The Bible shows us that you cannot be both because it shows that those that do these things will not enter into New Jerusalem or heaven but will end up in the Lake of Fire for eternity. There is no wiggle room. I find it sad that Christians, real Christians are not standing up and correcting this but then again, I haven’t seen much of Christians on the street or in the neighborhoods spreading the Gospel as is our least service that is commanded of us. I guess we will say Luke 17:10 (KJV) when we face our Saviour.

    • foxyfluff says:

      Well many parts of the bible don’t apply today. Like it says you aren’t supposed to work on the sabbath EX.35:2,you can’t enter heaven if you have a defect in your sight. Lev. 21:20,that you can’t eat shrimp Lev. 11:10,that you aren’t supposed to divorce and remarry Luke 16:18,that non-virgins are to be stoned Deuteronomy 22: 20-21,that people who are deformed cannot approach God Leviticus 21:18-21,that children who curse their parents are to be killed Leviticus 20:9.

      Those are passages that no one follows today,yet the bible is used to condemn being gay,when the other passages are ignored.

      • aCultureWarrior says:

        You’re talking about Jewish ceremonial laws that were done away with in the New Testament foxyfluff. The laws against sexual sins such as homosexuality fall under God’s universal moral code.

        If being a homosexual is no longer condemned in the New Testament, then using your argument, so is the condemnation of incest and bestiality.

        Nice try atheist.

    • aCultureWarrior says:

      Good post Ralph.

      You’ll find that a huge part of the homosexual agenda involves infiltrating what were once rock solid institutions and redefining them:

      Marriage and the definition of the traditional family, the military, education, youth mentor groups, and as you’ve pointed out, Christianity.

      And yes, while Gary DeMar points out on numerous occasions that Chrisitianity’s biggest threat is lack luster Christians, also note that 241,000 of us, from various religions, but mostly Christian, signed the petition to reserve same sex perversity (i.e. marriage) here in WA State.

      All in not lost.

    • Wade says:

      What confuses me most, Ralph, with regard to the typically unnuanced, black and white, conservative Christian view that you can’t be Christian and homosexual is this: According to the Christian worldview, we’re all most basically “sinners” whatever the nature of our, uh… uninherited, sin. Yet I see people claiming to be Christians all of the time – indeed, at the same time that they claim to be “depraved,” fallen men. Some are “saved,” yet go on to sin again and again. Does this mean that they must be saved anew each time they sin, or is being saved once enough?

      As for aCultureWarrior and the little “take that atheist” sack dance at the end of the comment, if foxyfluff is an “atheist” (And I’m guessing that you only assert this because of the disagreement with Ralph’s point – If I’ve missed something, please feel free to point it out.) then her argument is hypothetical and probably meant to point out not infrequent instances of Christian hypocrisy and self-serving interpretations of scripture. They would otherwise hold no authority for her.

      As for Jewish “ceremonial” laws, you need to talk to a few observant Jews in order to see how well that one really flies. The comment is rooted in – again – a typical Christian self-centeredness.

  12. b.j. Benbow says:

    A precious child I cared for was not “born that way”. He was carefully “groomed” by a pervert photographer who his parents considered a family friend who loved to take pictures of their beautiful little boy. He had a heart to heart conversation with me, when I came back to town for a class reunion, but did not actually admit he was homosexual. He was so confused that he even tried to kiss me! His father was an assembly of God minister and very strict. He wanted to invite a girl to the prom, but there would be dancing so his father said no. I understood how he felt as I had attended that church and had been his “baby sitter” when I was 11 and he was just a few months old. He later called to tell me he and his “friend” were coming to visit. My husband took our son to visit Grandma and they had several “loud” arguments – it didn’t seem like a “loving” relationship, my young friend was very handsome and sweet. He later died of aids in an Oklahoma City hospital. It should never have happened…very sad…

  13. Dustin says:

    Im no President but I will officially declare JULY Straight Patriot Pride Month!!! Can I get an AMEN?!?!

    • M.J. Martin says:

      Dustin……. its’ about time! AMEN.

    • Katy Anders says:

      July is Horseradish Appreciation Month and Wheelchair Beautification month already, so you’re going to have some competition.

      The great thing about all of these? Not required to be celebrated.

  14. jayleigh says:

    Actually, the reason “they” have used the Green Lantern as a homosexual superhero is to woo children into believing that anyone can be brave and strong and courageous. In a way, they are correct. Being gay doesn’t always mean being “limp in the wrist” so to speak. There are men and women who have fought courageously in the Armed Services. But they fought for America, not for the cause of “gay pride.” But, few know there have been “gays” in the military because as long as they did not molest another military person or attempt to engage in a same sex romance, few military even knew they existed within the ranks. It was only when they began to demand their “rights” to practice their own form of sexuality in the military that it became a problem. The decision to throw aside “don’t ask don’t tell” is a huge mistake. The military is like nothing else in society – it functions on a strict hierarchy and a love affair between a superior and an inferior would create huge problems all the way around. But, in order to make the up-coming generations accept homosexuality as “normal”, they must be trained to believe that it is. One way to do this is to create (or use) fictional characters who are homosexual appear heroic, bold, brave and able to “save the world.” It is easy then for children to not see the trap. “Why don’t they use their own symbols…” Well, it’s hard to get someone to identify with a NEW symbol – it’s much easier to take one that is already associated with brave deeds than it is to create something new. Think of any brand of pop or fast food chain, and you can name the major product. Name recognition is a huge sell-point. So, if a “legendary hero” can do amazing things and he is “gay,” there is a lot going for the campaign to “normalize” what is not normal and make acceptable with is not.

  15. lkocal says:

    Feeling that gay is unnatural and not “God-like” is certainly one thing. I just don’t know where in the Constitution that lifestyle or marriage is addressed at all except that we should all have the ability to live our lives as we see fit as long as we don’t hurt anyone. I don’t push my heterosexual agenda on anyone – in fact, I don’t speak of it as it’s no one’s business. Why is it the business of government to invade our bedrooms? American’s are choosing a theocracy when we want government to enforce our religious views on others. Is this any different than having government tell us to wear seat-belts or buy insurance? It all comes down to personal choice. You can believe someone will go to hell because of their lifestyle, but you can’t make someone live the way you do. Should we also have government criminalize alcohol consumption since there are a good deal of nasty things that go on in some bars?
    Thou doth protest too much. What are you afraid of?
    Remember that what you ask government to do to others will eventually be done to you.

    • Nathaniel Darnell says:

      lkocal,

      In our nation under the 10th Amendment it has historically, primarily been the states which have had the legal civil jurisdiction to govern matters pertaining to marriage, adultery, and sodomy. Historically, these states have civilly punished sodomy, and the Bible requires that they should — provided that a trial with two or three witnesses testify to prove guilt. This would not, should not involve the state invading anyone’s bedrooms, but it does mean that sodomy is pushed into the underground as something shameful rather than flaunted as something to be “proud” concerning.

      The Bible’s civil commands pertaining to alcohol, other consumables, and general pre-emptive activities are very different from those pertaining to sexuality.

      Living in a “theocracy” is inescapable because every culture has a God that defines its values, indeed the values that dictate that culture’s civil laws. To live in a land of freedom and prosperity, we must allow our Creator revealed in Scripture to define our values — not the god of humanism (man).

      For more on this subject, please see Joel McDurmon’s excellent article Straight Talk on Twisted Marriage.

      • Wade says:

        Actually, every culture does not have “a God that defines its values.” As I’ve come to expect, the fundamentalist Christian attitude – either deliberately, or simply because it doesn’t know what to do with it, ignores cultures heavily influenced by Buddhism or Taoism, among others.

        Additionally, also as expected, being gay is reduced – and oversimplified – to its explicitly sexual components. Is it possible, Mr. Darrell, that gay people also, even often, love one another, or are you just concerning yourself with a mismatch of physiology here?

      • Nathaniel Darnell says:

        Mr. Wade, I am concerning myself with a clear-cut disobedience to God’s express commands and clear-cut rebellion to his creation order design — based on a lack of self-acceptance as God made them due to a lack of God acceptance.

        Every person, be they Muslim, Hindu, humanist, Buddhist, or Taoist does have a god who they worship and serve, regardless of whether they couch it in those terms. They may describe their god pantheistically, impersonally, mystically, or in denial but they still devote faith in an ultimate court of appeal they believe transcends everything else. In reality, this god of their imagination is merely a puppet in their own hand. The real ultimate god they worship and serve is themselves.

        Romans 1:18-32 puts it this way:

        “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

        “Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

        “Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

        “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

        “Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”

      • Wade says:

        I see. Well, thank you for that well-reasoned… uh, quotation. You’re obviously not writing to the dissenters.

        “Mr. Wade, I am concerning myself with a clear-cut disobedience to God’s express commands and clear-cut rebellion to his creation order design — based on a lack of self-acceptance as God made them due to a lack of God acceptance.”

        Should I assume then that this means you’re not concerning yourself or don’t care with regard to whether or not gay people love one another – sexual behavior not withstanding? I can assume one of two things here: 1) You’re simply unwilling to “perspective-take” and assess the feelings of others or, 2) You don’t care about the feelings of others. I suppose that a third option is that you might care, but don’t want to and certainly don’t wish to give the impression to your readers that it’s relevant one way or the other. (The historical gateway to Christian brutality) In other words, it’s all about the law. Perspective-taking (an important component of “moral reasoning”) and the nuances and complications that it can raise are simply better left undiscussed? As far as I’m concerned, that’s a form of moral and intellectual cowardice, if it happens to be true.

        With regard to: “Every person, be they Muslim, Hindu, humanist, Buddhist, or Taoist does have a god who they worship and serve, regardless of whether they couch it in those terms.” You’re quite simply mistaken – technically, in any case – despite your creative reference to puppets and the idea that people somehow worship themselves. This error is particularly egregious in light of the fact of non-theistic religions like Buddhism. Not acknowledging the reality of such systems is simply intellectually lackidaisical and self-serving – perhaps even lazy. You offer one oversimplification and specious interpretation after another to readers who, in most cases, quite obviously already agree with you. Are you willing to address these points without fanning the hysteria and rage of the people calling names here? (I’m assuming that they’re Christians.)

        Lastly, where will it be appropriate to stop using Winston Churchill’s (great leader though he was) moral proscriptions and opinions – at his well-documented racism perhaps? You’re an attorney, right? So, I assume that you’re familiar with Toulmin and the nuances of valid and fallacious argumentation. I know that this is more about the rhetoric than the intellectual depth. However, how hard do you need to press such a shallow appeal to authority when you have biblical scripture so obviously at hand?

      • lkocal says:

        My Creator made each one of us in His image and likeness, perfect. My Creator condemns no one as that would be an imperfection He is incapable of by His perfection. My Creator is the only one who knows everything and is capable of judging what is in someone’s heart. When no harm is done to another, there is no reason for mere men to condemn anyone.
        I also think drinking alcohol is harmful not only to oneself but often is harmful to others when used irresponsibly. One’s sexual, civil or any other behaviors have personal consequences and many of those consequences have nothing to do with violating the law.
        If you want a state that is a theocracy, then you should live in that state. The federal government should have no interest whatsoever in what your chosen state has as its laws as long as they are within the confines of the Constitution which they ratified and therefore agree with.
        This discussion isn’t about who is right, it’s precisely about What Jesus Would Do and that our Creator would not condemn anyone who hurts no one.
        It saddens me that there a people who need to condemn others to magnify their own egos and though I have no idea what is in your heart and could never judge you, I hope you will ask yourself the question.

      • Pedro Domingo says:

        “revealed in Scripture” yes indeed but not solely.

        ” But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written.” John 21:25

        ” Who answered and said: It is written, Not in bread alone doth man live, but in every word that proceedeth from the mouth of God.” Matt 4:4

        “But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.” 1 Tim 3:15

        “Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.” Matt 16: 16-19

        Keep up the good work but don’t forget that the Church (there is only one) of the living God, can never uphold error, corruptions, superstitions or idolatry, since it is protected from such by the Holy Spirit.

      • Wayne says:

        “Pushed underground”. Amen!! I’ve been saying homosexuality needs to be restrained just like any other vice. The fact that gays want complete “normalization” shows it’s not a “victimless” crime. Normalization means adoption, gaining leadership in organizations like the Boy Scouts and teaching in schools down to the kindergarten level. It also means persecution of Christianity or any other religion that teaches homosexuality is immoral. You can’t have it both ways! Since gays cannot reproduce they must influence the next generation to advance their numbers, hence their interest in access to children, not to mention the statistical fact that gays have a higher incidence of child molestation. Despite the emotional argument over gay marriage, it’s known that gays tend to be promiscuous and as such pose a much greater risk of a public health hazard. Canonizing gay marriage, denies the Biblical standard, with future consequences known only to God.

    • Amerigo M. Cimino says:

      Why are “gay” people getting so much atttention? ARE WE TRYING TO LEGITIMIZE THIS SICK BEHAVIOUR? Have you ever seen two male or two female animals, “love” each other?
      These people are freaks! I’m not bigoted, I just know biology! Do I care if two freaks want to “love” each other? Absolutely not! I just don’t want to know about it! I don’t want to read about it, either!
      You should carry on your sick relationships, behind closed doors! I would not parade my sickness in public!

    • Joel Carson says:

      God has laws and man has made many more laws . In the beginning laws were made to protect society in general and for the good of the evolution of the culture . Noe there are many laws that are to protect the government and corporation that hsave nothing to do with the peoples constitutional rights and in fact are in violation of constitutional law . There are over 9000 laws made by our government I have heard it said by those presumed to know that the average american commits three felonies a day without knowing it . Gods laws were put in place simultaneously with Creation . People can easily violate Gods laws but there is a statement in the bible from God that states ” I will not be mocked ‘ And another that teaches ” Vengeance IS mine saith the Lord ” , Lesbian and homosexual behaviour is not inline with Gods laws . If you go online and search for the social and health impact of deviant sexual behavior you will very high costs both socially and in the personal health of those practice homosexuality in various illnesses and significantly shorter life spans . GOD WILL NOT BE MOCKED AND VENGEANCE IS HIS . We because of the creative loving nature of our creator are allowed to make mistakes with no punishishm ent but a nagging conscience and an inner feeling that something is not quite right . If we persist in our error ( SIN ) we will begin to notice more illness in our lives . The more serious the violations the more mental and physical pain we will recieve . Gays and lesbians cannot produce children . That is Gods law . To allow adoption by homosexuals is wrong . To celibrate same sex marriage is wrong . We cannot interfere with another persons soul choices . God will and is in the process of exacting correction . He will erase the genetic line of everyone practicing homosexuality and is in process of that right now . Many genetic lines are being terminated because God wills a perfect humanity and that genetic line has failed . Birth rates of all violators of Gods laws have dropped below recoverability . God doesn’t punish HIS laws are designed to bring about perfection in the race . Those who obviously cannot attain perfection in their genetic line are being relatively gently exterminated with the exception of pain and illness brought on and by themselves . We , mankind make laws to reduce pain and illness in our culture when we chave realized that we have been remiss , Insurance companies lobbied for and got seatbelt laws . Licensing is required for those who perfom tasks that could negatively affect society , Medicine , Law , Operating various machinery ie , driving cars or trucks , flying planes etc, Laws must be made at times to protect us from the negative impacts of others behaviours/ lifestyles , no driviung while impared, No discharge of guns inside town limits , just common sense stuff that some people seem to lack . No sexual behaviour that has a negative effect on society in any aspect .

      • lkocal says:

        Wouldn’t it be more reasonable for insurance companies to reduce coverage for those who do not wear seat-belts? If someone didn’t want to wear a seat-belt, they could just pay more for insurance. Here is another spurious law that has no basis in our Constitution. If you don’t wear a seat-belt, there are consequences and it should be our choice as it harms no one.

    • Dan says:

      The argument “whatever I do in my bedroom is my business” argument would be true IF:
      1. Homosexuals were in a separate chosen health insurance risk pool and paid premiums accordingly. Several years ago the health care costs for AIDS was 9 billion dollars a year and it was being paid primarily by the group pool payers of insurance premiums.
      2. Society outside of your bedroom was not affected by the higher rates of clinical depression and substance abuse that plague the homosexual community.
      3. The homosexual community did not have elements within who recruit young people to have homosexual sex and convince them they too are homosexual.

      The point is what you do in your bedroom does have negative social, cultural and financial consequences outside of your bedroom. When a small child wants to stick a fork in an electrical outlet the parent stops them and the child may be unhappy but we all know it was the best thing to do. When an adult wants to engage in unnatural homosexual behavior and others say it is dangerous we all hear the endless litanies of “we were born this way” or “it is our choice” and rebuff any correction to refrain what has been know for millenia to be criminal and dangerous to any society. There has never been a society on the face of this planet that has embraced homosexuality that has prospered.
      God hates all sin. He hates lying, heterosexual adultery, drug use, stealing as well as homosexual sin and other sins that hurt us and are harmful BUT his arms are open to anyone and everyone who turns from their sin and towards the forgiveness of Jesus Christ. As a believer in Christ we extend the same forgiveness to others that we have already accepted but forgiveness requires true repentance from damaging sin…..whatever the type.

    • Myrtle Linder says:

      Our Country has become rotten to the bone marrow!! I can’t think what evil, that we might come up with next. I don’t think there is anything else, which is evil, that has not been legalized. Think: Beastality legalized!! Whose evil mind, to legalize that, did that come out of? There is no way this world can continue at this evil rate.THE WORD OF GOD (which has been made a mockery) tells us that these days would come, just before CHRIST RETURNS FOR HIS PEOPLE, but it is still an awful shock to see that my country can sink this low, against GOD. HIS WORD tells us in many places that homosexuality is an abomination to HIM which means the HE hates it. HE did not make mankind to live in such an evil manner.

      SOMETIMES IS WONDER “DID HE EVER REGRET MAKING MAN, AND AFTER HIS OWN IMAGE, TOO.”

    • Homer says:

      Sir, IT is NOT a desire to invade anothers bedroom, BUT it has been said that what a man is in private, is what he may become in public! Homosexuals may do what they do in private but what will happen when they get the leverage they desire in public office etc. See, that is the point!!Homosexuality is “UNSEEMLY” NO heterosexual makes a point of being a heterosexual and we/they don’t need heterosexuals month or day etc We need not highlight the fact that we are heterosexuals and we don’t need to be protected w/special legislation because we are heterosexuals! Homosexuality is a choice and it has never been shown on the media what really happens afterwards in the AIDS wards!! I pray these individuals will have a change of mind and heart towards their wrongdoing!!

  16. DockyWocky says:

    Winnie would have loved to have had the opportunity to rerduce Obam to the bungling idiot he really is. Oh, it might have had a colonial twist, but the Pretender would have been in a nice prison cell by now.

  17. “Gay” is a semantic attempt to associate an emotion elicited by cildren and puppies with sexual activities that 95% of adults consider un-natural and perverted.

    gekruckeberg.com.

    • just rambling says:

      Call it what it is they are faggolets and a abomination.
      Kruckeberg is right.

    • scottbuilder1 says:

      Spot ON!

    • scottbuilder1 says:

      God’s moral principle is clear. Marriage was designed by the Lord to be between a man and a woman. To do any other is an act of direct rebellion against the Lord of Glory, the Creator, the Sovereign. To reject God’s design for marriage (and as a facet of it, sexuality) is to do the unthinkable.

      It is one thing to encourage our citizens not to take the law into their own hands or not to act ungraciously to fellow sinners in need of repentance and salvation. It is quite another to encourage a people living in sin to be unashamed — indeed “proud” — of on-going commissions of an act God calls “an abomination.” (See Leviticus 18:22.)

      • Max says:

        Seems that way to many people think Gods laws change to suit the times. Gods laws were the same from the beginning to now and forever. Now days we don’t call a drunk a drunk, or a Queer a queer. Just changing the name of a sinner sins does not wash away the sin. Drunkenness,homosexual, lies, pride-fullness are all sins and not excepting Christ atoning Blood for salvation are all sins. A man who has a sexual relation with a man is a sinner in gods eyes and so a woman that has sexual relations wit a woman is also a sinner and both are disobedient to Gods laws. The Government saying it is fine or being proud of Homosexuals is a disgrace in Gods laws and it is still wrong.

    • David Parker says:

      99.9%. These pathetic slaves to Satan’s crowning perversion do not constitute a major portion of the race. They are a tiny minority, championed by global manipulators to destroy Christian society.
      Also, they are anything but gay. Theirs is the most hopeless existence in this fallen world, they cannot rise above hedonism, they cannot attain the relationship that exists between husband and wife no matter how many declarations of gay marriage they can shake out of the state.
      To answer “Wade” (wading in what don’t ask), David and Johnathan loved each other because they both lived to serve God. Their love had nothing to do with sex and did not take the place of their own wives and children whom they also loved as fathers should.
      There is a reason homosexuality is called sodomy. There were five cities on a fertile plain where there is barren desolation today. The lesson is that those homosexuals got to experience a taste of their eternity while here on earth! There are two kinds of people, those who learn from the experiences of others and those who are determined to find out the hard way. God was fed up with the Sodomites and their attempt to force their perversion on Lot and his guests was the last straw for them.
      Also, there is no transcendent joy and hope to be found in homosexuality. You play with yourselves and never rise to the purpose for which you were created. God is interested in families, which come from men marrying women for life and raising godly children.
      As for you homosexual, when you are dying, what great accomplishments can you reflect on? That you managed to get other people to pay for your retirement and your medical bills? The lives of boys (or girls) you managed to pull into your perversion so you would have company in your misery? The fact that all you ever did in your life was play with yourself? A Hugh Hefner covered with feces?
      Hooray, homosexuals!.

      • Wade says:

        “99.9%. These pathetic slaves to Satan’s crowning perversion do not constitute a major portion of the race.”

        Well, no, David – hence the term, “minority.” As for “crowning perversion,” I think that I’d, in good conscience, have to throw “war” in there.

        “They are a tiny minority…”

        In order to be able to say that with authority, you’d need to be able to define homosexuality clearly – not easy. If by “homosexual” we mean, for instance, anyone who has ever had sex with a member of the same sex, your figure will need to be revised substantially.

        “…championed by global manipulators to destroy Christian society.”

        All that I see in this is the Christian attachment to persecution, as well as a little paranoia.

        “Also, they are anything but gay. Theirs is the most hopeless existence in this fallen world… ”

        Hyperbole

        “they cannot rise above hedonism…”

        And I can see here that you’ve bought into the unnuanced stereotypes of gay life.

        “To answer “Wade” (wading in what don’t ask)…”

        I really have no idea what you mean by the parenthetical statement, and I don’t believe that I asked about David and Jonathan. It doesn’t help to answer my actual question – which had to do with real human feelings today – by shoehorning another biblical hermeneutic into this. (Besides, even if David and Jonathan did have a sexual relationship – of which I have no interest or opinion one way or the other – do you really think that it would show up in the Bible in anything other than a wrathful context?) So I’ll continue to consider my question unanswered.

        “Also, there is no transcendent joy and hope to be found in homosexuality.”

        If you say so.

        “God was fed up with the Sodomites and their attempt to force their perversion on Lot and his guests was the last straw for them.”

        Actually, David, God had already determined to destroy these cities. Reread Genesis.

        “A Hugh Hefner covered with feces?”

        What? As for the rest, it simply sounds like frightened, offended mean-spiritedness coming from a part of the population that doesn’t have the imagination or the will to do anything but huddle up with one another in their insular societies and wait for God to solve our problems via destruction and wrath – again. It’s a shame, and if anything represents a failure in humanity, it’s this. As for the fall of societies, an interesting tidbit. Who can remember what event closely preceded the fall of Rome (by less than 100 years) and roughly one thousand years of what we now call “The Dark Ages?” (Hint: it was legalized in 313 AD and all alternatives were outlawed by 391 AD, effectively giving it exclusive state endorsement.)

  18. Tionico says:

    We here in Washington State have accomplished a good thing that is well suited to celebrate the perverted “pride month” declared by our pretender in chief…. last legislative session, rather then workiing on a balanced state budget, our “representatives” passed a law declaring that homosexual partnerships can now be called “marriage”, thus accruing all rights and priviledges normally reserved for that holy union established by God. Citizens rose up, demanding it be reversed, or at least put on the ballot as a Referendum. To do soo requires 125,000 valid voter signatures. The Referendum text was drawn up, petitions printed and distributed.. and last week, in this month of “celebrating” queer pride, 274,000 signatures were turned in… an all time state record, and the measure is certified for the November ballot. So, now the hard work begins….

    This “law” (for, being against God’s law is no law at all) was railroaded through the legislature at the pushing of our reigning queen, Christine, who, two years prior, had pressed for new laws giving all rights and priviledges, but not the “legal” name, of marriage, to “domestic partnerships” (read: homosexual couples). SHE has had this agenda from the beginning. By the bye, our ruling kinyun has a “high respect” for this travesty of a governess. Fits, yes?

    SO, I do believe this is good cause for proper celebration of this issue here in Washington. Pushing back against perversion is a great way to celebrate, I think….

    • just rambling says:

      It takes one to know one,so we know what the ILLEGAL IS,that is why the chimp watches him so close,she don’t want to lose her standard of living, living off the TAXPAYERS.

  19. 1 says:

    Pride comes before a fall.

  20. boomer8 says:

    If there truly was “gay pride” then they wouldn’t be trying to force the rest of us to accept their perverse lifestyles!!! No such thing as “gay pride”; their consciences are seared with guilt and shame, and they parade around in a fantasy pretending that what they’re doing is OK and that they’re proud of it!
    The sad thing is they are so delusional that they believe that it’s because of the judgment of others which causes them to feel this way!!!

    • Curry says:

      RE: boomer 8:
      Romans 1:18-32, esp. vs. 32. Spot on, these folks being a living example of the fulfillment of Holy Scripture.

  21. boomer8 says:

    this travesty will continue until their is societal breakdown and war breaks out among the citizens trying to protect their families from the onslaught of politically recogized, self destructive perverts!! Will the government put all the moral and religious people in the concentration camps? Could be. Of course, with the influx of so many enemy cultures into America there could very well be factional battles like the Balkans among Christians, Criminal gangs, Illegal aliens, Muuslims, and the government approved perverts!! What a mess!! Thank you, Washington DC for looking out for all of us!!

  22. Tina says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvnVjLX_hRE PLEASE LISTEN TO THIS SONG IT IS BEAUTIFUL !!!!!

  23. CW De Spain says:

    Before we give Bill Clinton and, or Barrack Husein Obama all the credit, why does everyone always leave out Ron Paul and Mitt Romney?

    Remember, Ron Paul voted for the homosexualizing of the military, has no problem with same sex marriages and says that homosexuality is not a sin, but rather a Genetic issue.

    Mitt Romney also supports the Gay Agenda and married a Gay Couple in Massachusetts while Governor (see http://www.massresistance.com).

    Everyone in the Ron Paul camp is claiming that they are America’s last hope and almost worshiping them as if they are our Saviors.

    This morning a number of writers claim that the Pauls have never betrayed anyone yet ignore Ron Paul’s support of the sodomites and same sex marriage as he voted his approval to allow them in the United States Military which is a betrayal of God Almighty and our risen Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who is King. And we now have Rand Pauls support of a Mormon which is a Cult in one, Mitt Romney.

    When prayer is asked for, never have I seen or heard anyone who supports the Paul’s from any Pastors which includes Chuck Baldwin or his son and attorney Tim or anyone in the Paul camp ever ask or say anything about repentance which must come first before forgiveness and blessing from God.

    And why is this? It’s because when one feels that they are above even God Himself and His Laws, repentance is not given even the slightest thought nor considered.

    They all say that God’s Laws are supreme, yet they support a man Ron Paul who has made a conscious effort as well as a verbal statement against God’s Laws and calls it good. And now his son Rand has dug the knife even deeper into our backs and scoffed at the God he claims he knows in his support of this Mormon who also supports Gays in the Military as well as same sex marriages.

    The God I worship and who is King says that His eyes are too pure to look on evil, and He cannot tolerate wrongdoing* yet they worship a man or in this case men, and forget God and His Laws as well as His Commandments and in their vanity and pride they yet ask God to bless them while supporting men who have set themselves before God.

    They preach and teach from the pulpit and in their correspondence that righteousness exhalteth a nation. But yet they refuse to follow what God Commands in Deuteronomy 11 when He says that we are to keep all of His commandments and obey Him. Instead, they refuse to see that they are desperately in need of a repentant heart so that God can bless them and not curse them* and our Nation without repentance by it’s people, will continue to suffer for it.

    CWDS

    * Habakkuk 1:13
    Deuteronomy 11

    • Nathaniel Darnell says:

      CWDS,

      You’re right that there has been plenty from the Republican Party, including the two Bush presidencies, and from Romney to promote the sodomite agenda.

      I’m also grieved about Congressman Paul’s second vote regarding sodomites in the military. Of course, if we operated our military biblically and constitutionally, it’s doubtful we would have a standing army as we do today for that policy to even be at issue.

      While Congressman Paul certainly has shortcomings in this area that we should not excuse, what has made him stand out above the pack is that (1) he would give no special privileges to sodomites; (2) he would free employers to be able to hire and fire employees without regard to their “sexual orientation”; (3) he would empower the state governments (as the U.S. Constitution historically has applied) to be able to civilly punish proven sodomy.

      He is the only candidate in the two major parties who has even proposed these kinds of policies, and he deserves commendation for having the boldness and conviction to promote them.

      • Steve says:

        Thanks, Nathaniel, for investing careful thought in that article; that history needed to be applied anew. Of course the Judges 19 telling, as well as God’s memorable destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah in Genesis 19, declared to us once and for all that we must abhor sodomy and unthinkable perversions. Sober heralding of Scripture in school and church and home will delay cultural rot somewhat until Christ returns.

      • God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of sodomy. The United States needs to repent or the LORD may do the same to us.

        “Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;”
        Genesis 19:24, KJV

        http://www.jrcministries.org/religion-a-politics/63-the-case-against-homosexual-practice.html

      • Ithamar says:

        Nathaniel, good article, but on Ron Paul and the military, you are still somewhat lacking. What do you mean by: “if we operated our military biblically and constitutionally, it’s doubtful we would have a standing army as we do today for that policy to even be at issue”?

        The UCMJ to this day identifies homosexual acts (sodomy) and felony. During Reagan days through the first Bush, sodomites and adulterers were punished when discovered. I served thirty years on active duty beginning under Kennedy, then Carter, finally retiring under Bush II, and I can assure you the military was in the best shape ever when its moral laws were adjudicated and perverts, such as adulterers and homosexuals (sodomites), were punished.

        Ron Paul claimed to support a state’s prerogative to legislate morality, which has always been the Constitutional arrangement. But it is the federal Congress which legislates moral law for the military (not any individual state), yet he as a legislator for the military legitimized open sodomy in its ranks. Due to such duplicity and evil doings, as one who knows how vital an issue this is for the military and national defense, I have absolutely no use for the man.

  24. Phillip Lake says:

    Yea – but all we are doing is preaching to the choir. If you go on a gay website to try and have a half-way intelligent conversation they have a comeback for everything you say. As a Christian I have tried to “hate the sin but love the sinner” but that does not work with these people. They think sodomy is the only way and we should be ashamed for not supporting it. What makes me sick to my stomach is this piece of garbage that calls himself a Presiden,t and Christian, is doing this ONLY for votes. He could care less if every homosexual dropped dead after Nov. 11. God told us this day was coming and He does not lie. We just have to hold fast to the promise and continue to pray.

    • Tina says:

      SO TRUE I WILL BE PRAYING FOR OUR COUNTRY

    • Curry says:

      God ordered the death of sodomites in Israel to protect the unknown bloodline of the unborn Messiah…there were several other sins related to this need which demanded death, i.e. bestiality, etc.
      The marriage of a man and a woman is like unto the intimate relationship that is established between Jesus Christ and those who have believed into him for their salvation. Both become one in body, soul, and spirit. Sodomy is utterly destructive not only of the natural order (see Romans 1:18-20); it is destructive to the soul – Romans 1:28 indicates that God examines the souls of those who practice such sexual perversion and if he does not find any desire to retain any knowledge of God, he releases them to work their filth.
      Ergo, if we got busy evangelizing those who claimed they were homosexuals with respect to this idea, we might find that there are many who are not homosexuals in the sense of Romans 1:28 because there is yet in their soul a desire to retain knowledge of God…Romans 10:9 & 10 is a very good pair of verses to use to separate the wheat from the chaff. The Gospel is the key to your dilemna – our dilemna – how to deal with what for many who claim to be homosexuals is their confusion, pain and shame for having engaged in such perverted behavior – and it is very Good News indeed that “there is no respect of persons with God”, leading to a greater understanding among Christians – the stewards of the Gospel, that we are not to judge them (Romans 2:1), but to work to save their lost souls through prayer and the Gospel. When you speak to these people, always lead with the Gospel and pray for them at the same time, and then stand back and watch their reaction. You will know who is and who is not ‘the real deal’ and who can be pulled back from their road to destruction.

    • Wade says:

      “Sodomy is the only way…?” I’ll await the links to the quotations that you’ve drawn that idea from.

      “He could care less if every homosexual dropped dead after Nov. 11. God told us this day was coming…” And Christians have been saying that for nearly the last 2000 years. As for you’re being in the head of Obama, I suppose time will tell. What will you say if he loses and holds to the views that he’s stood on? In any case, your comment sounds like a bit of projection.

      “If you go on a gay website to try and have a half-way intelligent conversation they have a comeback for everything you say.” Funny, I was thinking the same with regard to Christian websites.

      Got any comebacks?

      “We just have to hold fast to the promise and continue to pray…” And make sure that all of your good will is oriented to that supposed, unknown future day.

      • Jonas says:

        So Wade, what’s your “Why”?

      • Wade says:

        Jonas, “Why” what?

      • Jonas says:

        “Why” do “right” and “why” is it “right”?

      • Wade says:

        Jonas, thanks. I don’t make reference to a formula when I consider what is right, and I’m not a pure relativist – which is generally what Christians seem to expect to hear some variation on when they ask a question of like this. If I’ve misjudged you in this, please forgive me, but I’ve gotten used to the intention behind the question being rather formulaic.

        If you’d like to see a good discussion – the secular side of which more or less summarizes my view on what I consider a complex topic – please refer to this debate between Shelly Kagan and William Lane Craig. I doubt that I could do the topic justice in this forum otherwise. (though the short answer for this topic is compassion and justice)If you don’t find that satisfactory, I’d be happy to “friend” you on Facebook to continue the discussion. I have many Christian friends there, whom I also know as friends personally, that I’m sure wouldn’t mind being part of such a discussion.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqZ5azg8mlg

      • Jonas says:

        Wade, sorry it’s been 5 days. I had forgotten with all the hub bub of the work week.

        I do subscribe to the Christian “philosophy” and plan to take as many of you as I can as willing hostages ;). There shouldn’t be anything wrong with that since you and I don’t agree yet on who’s rules we should go by between us.

        How might I knock on your door in the FB neighborhood?

  25. TINA says:

    PLEASE VISIT MY WEB SITE GODANDSPIRIT.COM I WRITE BOOKS OF POETRY ON GOD AND JESUS AND THE SPIRITUAL WORLD . I AM SICK THAT THE SODOMITES HAVE TAKEN ALL OUR SACRED WORDS AND MEANINGS AND TRASHED THEM I JUST HOPE WE CAN RECOVER THEM AND STOP THIS MADNESS TY. TINA RUMMEL

  26. Harold L. Clark says:

    Churchill had it right, Sodomy (homesexuality) is the most abnormal, sick pratice possible. It will catch up to them and it is in some areas, aids is the result of this practice.

  27. Nemesis of Empire says:

    Obviously faggotry is an insult to God, a knife slashing open the very heart of Jesus, and the practitioners and supporters of the practitioners have earned the wrath of all true believers and should be put to the sword. For there is no God but God, and Jesus is his messenger. Let holy justice be done this very night.

    • Nathaniel Darnell says:

      Nemesis:

      Nothing in this article or any of the other publications of American Vision should be construed to advocate a Jihad approach to promoting the teachings of God’s Word. We have in fact spoken against those practices voluminously, and this article itself speaks against that. God’s Word makes very strong distinctions between the roles of the state and the roles of the individual or church in seeking to promote the truth of Scripture.

      Sodomites have earned the “wrath” of God, for He is our Judge, not the wrath of “true believers.” Those same sinners living under that wrath, however, can find mercy and salvation in Jesus Christ through repentance and faith.

      The only action that should be “done this very night” is the peaceful evangelism and discipleship of of the world through preaching and teaching from God’s Word, and faithfully ourselves obeying its teachings for us. It should be done in our homes, our churches, and our communities.

      • LaVon Armstrong says:

        So who do we vote for? Looks like we have a choice between 3 evils. Either we vote for Obama or Romney or we don’t vote which would be the same as voting for Romney or Obama. Can we find other details that would help. Romney may be able to be convinced eventually. Obama supports those who supports him. God Help Us

      • David says:

        I agree with you Nathaniel the physical sword but the spiritual sword might be in order. The sword of truth (which is the word of God)
        Hate the sin not the sinner as we are all like filthy rags as compared to Christ. But with each victory that evil wins come more evil. Each will be judged by God and if Jesus is your lawyer, His blood will cover your sins. I fear that we are sitting on our hands and allowing these things to come to pass and as someone once wrote: evil will flourish when good men do nothing.
        If they establish that sexual preference is not against the law or is to be excepted, then how long before some judge has to make a ruling on a person who’s sexual preference is children and has the previously trials on gays that open the door for their defense that is just their sexual preferance and should be protected under the law, or people who want to marry animals, they will want that same protection the gay’s seem to be getting with the law. And where does it all stop. You start down this slippery slimy slope, there is no bottom, well maybe when you reach hell.

      • Ithamar says:

        Sodomy is a capital offense. It is the state’s obligation to exercise the sword while the church preaches repentance and faith and supports the state in the performance of its duties under God’s law, even when it wields the sword.

      • Wade says:

        Mr. Darrell, that you eventually did get around to this is commendable, but did you truly not realize that when you wrote this article – or any article like it – that you were pandering to rage, hate, fear, and the obviously latent violence of those who prefer “the sword.”

        When you hear your readers’ language slip into a parody of something from the KJV with that violent, self-righteous edge, don’t you ever wonder which among the unstable will take that one additional tragic step – as in the murder of Dr. George Tiller – what part you might have played or yet play? If you hold to the traditional form of response you, like the anti-abortion organizations that fed into the motivations and delusions of Tiller’s killer will back away with protestations like, “We never endorsed or suggested…”

        It doesn’t even have to be a matter of murder. How many more young people must be permanently alientated from their families because this rhetoric devolves into something that leaves no other options for response, except for something like “shunning” – another marvelously Christian idea, and just as good as killing someone in centuries past.

        Oddly enough, so much energy is put into issues of sexuality while at the same time the leader of the free world can set us at war with Iraq over a lie – resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands. I’d not heard much conservative Christian objections over that one. And before anyone gets started on the horror of terrorism (as awful as it is), they need to me aware of Iraq’s SPECIFIC part in it, as well as the proportion of casualty that results from it – Stephen Pinker’s “The Better Angels of Our Nature” is one of many good references. Sadly though, I’ve not heard you recommend any reading but the Bible here, so I don’t hold out much hope.) In this case, the cure seems to have been worse than the disease, and I have yet to talk to a conservative Christian who wouldn’t rather talk about homosexuality and abortion (mostly “armchair activist” issues for those of you sitting at your keyboards and typing furiously about “faggots” and “sodomites.”)

        Lastly, as an aside, you mentioned the 10th ammendment earlier and how it allows states to provide for themselves with regard to CIVIL laws with regard to things like sodomy. How does this jibe with its historic criminalization? You’re the attorney here, so I’ll be happy to defer to what will likely be your superior knowledge in this matter.

  28. Erik says:

    Maybe that is why Obama had Churchill’s bust removed from the White House.

  29. Mark says:

    And have you ever noticed that homosexuals always pervert or take what is good and make it bad? They take the rainbow (symbol of God’s covenant) and make it a symbol of their unholy cause. The word gay (happy) now means homosexual. And just recently they have made a superhero icon (Green Lantern) come out of the closet.

    Why can’t these people come up with their own symbols, wordage, and superheros? No, they have to steal established ones.

    * Sorry bout the superhero thing. I kno it’s not real spiritual but I’m so fed up with these people who celebrate their sin in our faces.

    • Nathaniel Darnell says:

      Those are good observations, Mark. At American Vision we’ve often lamented when approaching designing artwork the fact that the rainbow — which was made by God specifically to communicate His promise — would be twisted into something promoting this abomination. There are some symbols and words we can discard if we have to, but the rainbow is a symbol Christians must reclaim because of its unique origins. Meanwhile, we should stop allowing such words and symbols to be re-defined in the future. This is why I still use the biblical term “sodomy” as opposed to “gay” in speaking of this wicked activity.

      Thank you for sharing your thoughts, and thanks for reading!

    • John Mark McCroskey says:

      And have you ever noticed that homosexuals always pervert or take what is good and make it bad?

      They do this because that is the only thing that the evil one does, take what God made and pervert it…

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