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Published on September 12th, 2011 | by Gary DeMar

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Is Jesus Going to Reign on Earth?

There are lots of things that people believe the Bible teaches that just aren’t there. I have developed a Bible test that makes this point. Here’s one of them: Did Noah’s ark land on Mt. Ararat? The answer is no. The ark came to rest on the mountains (plural) of Ararat (Gen. 8:4). There are other “that’s not in the Bible” beliefs, and many have to do with Bible prophecy. Ask a prophecy student to define “antichrist” (2 John 7), and then ask which book of the Bible uses the term more than any other book. If you said the book of Revelation, you would be wrong. The word does not appear in the most prophetic book in the Bible.

So many Christians have their faith wrapped in the cozy blanket of Bible prophecy that they feel doctrinally exposed when their beliefs on the subject are challenged. We should not fear believing what the Bible actually teaches, but we should fear believing what the Bible does not teach.

In a previous article I responded to some comments made by prophecy writer Dave Hunt in his answer to a question that appeared on his Berean Call website. He is critical of a preterist(1) interpretation of Bible prophecy. In attempt to discredit the preterist interpretation of Bible prophecy, Mr. Hunt asks, then “When did [Jesus] begin to reign over the world from Jerusalem?” Since we don’t see Jesus reigning on the earth from Jerusalem, then this prophecy is yet to be fulfilled.

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Where in the Bible does it say that Jesus will reign over the world from Jerusalem? Premillennialists would point to Revelation 20. In a debate that Gary North and I had with Dave Hunt and Thomas Ice in 1988, I asked Mr. Hunt where in Revelation 20 does it state that Jesus will reign on the earth for a thousand years. He was silent. He could not tell me. Later in the debate, his debating partner Thomas Ice answered for Mr. Hunt. Here’s what he said:

Gary, Dave said I could tell you the Scripture. It’s Revelation 20:6: “Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over them the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.”

Notice that my question specifically asked where in Revelation 20 does it say Jesus will reign on earth during this period of time. There is no mention of Jesus being on earth in Revelation 20.

There’s a more fundamental question. Does Jesus have to be physically present to rule the world? It’s interesting that many dispensationalists claim that Satan is ruling over the world at this very moment. Where is his throne? If it’s possible for Satan to rule over this world without having a physical throne and an earthly physical presence, then certainly Jesus has similar power and authority.

Satan may have had the kingdoms of the world at one time (Matt. 4:1–10; Luke 4:1–13), but not any longer. We’re told by Jesus, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age” (Matt. 28:18–20). With these verses in mind, if Jesus is not reigning over the world, then who is?

Dispensationalists claim that Jesus will rule the world from Jerusalem while He is sitting on David’s throne. We know this, dispensationalists tell us, because that’s what the “millennium” is all about in Revelation 20. This chapter does not say Jesus will reign on the earth or sit on David’s throne. Furthermore, Revelation 20 is not describing a “millennium” or “millennialism,” as the terms are usually understood, that is, a Golden Age of universal peace. Even the dispensational version of the “millennium” won’t be all “sweetness and light” since Jesus is said to rule with a “rod of iron” (Rev. 19:15).

Those who reign with Jesus during this period were martyred (Rev. 20:4), like so many Old Testament saints (Heb. 11:26–40) and early New Testament believers (Acts 7:54–60; 12:2). Revelation 20:4 is the answer to the martyred saints in Revelation 6:9–11 who ask “how long . . .  wilt Thou refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the land?” This means that Revelation 20 is describing what was going on in John’s day (1:1, 3; 22:10). John described himself as a “fellow partaker in the tribulation” (1:9). These souls “had been judicially killed: decapitation was a standard form of capital punishment, well known in the Roman Empire (cf. Mt. 14:10). Significantly, this imagery fits all the preceding story of Revelation, where the Roman beast and the Jerusalem harlot are drunk on the blood of the saints (Rev. 13:7; 17:6).”(2)

The framework of Revelation 20 is similar to what we read in Hebrews 12, a follow-up to the previous chapter: “Therefore, since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also lay aside every encumbrance, and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, fixing our eyes on Jesus, the  author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God” (Heb. 12:1–2). Instead of waiting for some final eschatological kingdom event, the writer of Hebrews told his first-century readers to run the race because Jesus accomplished what He came into the world to accomplish. There is no parenthesis, gap, or Plan B. Jesus said, “It has been accomplished” (John 19:30).

There is no need for an earthly throne for Jesus. Jesus’ throne is in heaven: “Thus says the Lord, ‘Heaven is My throne, and the earth is My footstool. Where then is a house you could build for Me?’” (Isa. 66:1; Acts 7:49). Jesus occupies David’s throne in heaven (Acts 2:29–36). Looking at Hebrews 12:2 again, we find that Jesus “sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.” Everything a dispensationalist like Mr. Hunt claims has not happened the Bible says nothing about or has already taken place. Any view that discounts these truths and relegates the kingship of Jesus to another time or place is little different from Deism.

Hunt continues to ask questions about what the Bible says about what he claims is unfulfilled Bible prophecy: “Did those who had pierced Him look upon and recognize Him as their Messiah; weep and mourn and believe on Him?”

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The simple answer is “yes.” The above unreferenced passage by Mr. Hunt is taken from Zechariah 12:10: “I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.” We know from John 19:36–37 that Zechariah 12:10 was fulfilled in Jesus day:

 “For these things came to pass, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, ‘Not a bone of Him shall be broken.’ And again another Scripture says, ‘They shall look on Him Whom They pierced.’”

Those who pierced Jesus were the ones who looked on Him. The editors of the LaHaye Prophecy Study Bible are correct when they write that “this act fulfills Zechariah 12:10, which says, ‘They shall look upon me whom they have pierced’ (cf. Rev. 1:7).”(3) Of course, they are agreeing with what John makes abundantly clear. But if the events of Zechariah 12:1–9 were fulfilled during the time when the events in Esther took place, then why a gap of nearly 500 years before the fulfillment of Zechariah 12:10?

F. W. Farrar argues that Zechariah 12:10 “was a striking type and foreshadowing of the death of the King of Martyrs, the Son of God, and of the remorse which pierced to the heart those who had slain Him (Acts ii. 37; vii. 54).”(4) If this is true, then we should look for a more immediate historical setting that would establish the “piercing” as a type of the piercing of Christ on the cross (John 19:37).

By viewing Zechariah 12:10 as type of piercing that is ultimately fulfilled in Jesus, the way supplying a ram in the place of Isaac was a type of Christ, the historical cohesion of the chapter is maintained. In fact, we see something similar in the life of David. Psalm 22 is first David’s cry of anguish, even though it is filled with obvious Messianic elements that ultimately find their fulfillment in the redemptive work of Jesus.

Gerard Van Groningen, in his masterful work on the messianic prophecies in the Old Testament, writes that “the experiences recorded [in Psalm 22] are in keeping with David’s historical pilgrimage to the throne and his actual sitting on it. The poetic symbols reflect a Davidic awareness of life in the open country. And the perception of the relationship between God and the king, even in times of suffering, is clearly present. . . . As he functions as a prophet, serves as a priest, and reigns as the anointed royal one, David is a messianic type in the fullest meaning of that concept. What he was, experienced, and proclaimed in his day was directly related to what his offspring would be, have, and do in the fullness of time.”(5)

Zechariah 12:10 could be read in a similar way. While some historical person may be in view, it’s more likely that something more striking is being described. Notice who is pierced: “they will look on Me whom they have pierced” (12:10). Who is the “Me”? It’s Jehovah. How is this possible? Physically, prior to the incarnation, it isn’t. The piercing is metaphorical and typological, as Homer Hailey argues: “They could not pierce Jehovah in the sense of putting Him to death; but they pierced Him through insult, blasphemy, and rejection.”(6) The use of “pierce” in this way is not uncharacteristic of the Bible. It’s said of Mary, the mother of Jesus: “and a sword will pierce even your own soul” (Luke 2:35). In Hebrews 4:12 we read: “For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.” In these cases, the piercing is being used “metaphorically.”(7)The same is probably true in Zechariah 12:10. R. T. France comments:

And in the overall pattern of Zech 9–14 this “one they have pierced” is usually interpreted as a rejected messianic figure, who appears also as the rejected shepherd in Zech 11:4–14 and the shepherd killed by the sword in Zech 13:7–9. In this gospel [i.e., Matthew] both of those latter passages will be applied to Jesus’ death in Jerusalem (see 26:32; 27:9–10), and the present allusion should therefore probably be taken in the same way. Jesus’ words here suggest then, in the light of their OT background, that the people of Jerusalem will recognize what they have done to their Messiah, but their mourning will be prompted by seeing his eventual vindication and triumph, when it will be too late to avert the consequences of having rejected him.(8)

It was the “piercing” of Jehovah that sent the residents of Israel and Judah into exile. It was only after recognizing their grave sin that they called out for mercy and were redeemed. The type is fulfilled in the piercing of Jesus and the call for mercy and the granting of grace that followed. This is why “in John 19:37 the verse is given an interpretive paraphrase: They shall look on Him. John has made an application of the prophecy in the light of the fulfillment (as far as the piercing is concerned) to Jesus. John knew that in its Old Testament context the first person was used, and that the pronoun referred to Yahweh.”(9) Consider Calvin’s wise and perceptive comments on John 19:37:

They shall look on him whom they pierced. This passage is violently tortured by those who endeavour to explain it literally as referring to Christ. Nor is this the purpose for which the Evangelist quotes it, but rather to show that Christ is that God who formerly complained, by Zechariah, that the Jews had pierced his heart (Zech. xii.10). Now, God speaks there after the manner of men, declaring that He is wounded by the sins of his people, and especially by their obstinate contempt of his word, in the same manner as a mortal man receives a deadly wound, when his heart is pierced; as he says, elsewhere, that his Spirit was deeply grieved [Matt. 26:38 and Isa. 63:10]. Now, as Christ is God manifested in the flesh (1 Tim. 3:16), John says that in his visible flesh was plainly accomplished what his Divine Majesty had endured from the Jews, so far as it was capable of enduring;. . . What was done by the hand of a Roman soldier the Evangelist John justly imputes to the Jews; as they are elsewhere said to have crucified the Son of God, (Acts ii. 36,) though they did not lay a finger on his body.(10)

Mr. Hunt asks whether those who had pierced Jesus looked upon and recognize Him as their Messiah. Did they weep and mourn and believe on Him? They sure did. First, at Pentecost “there were Jews living in Jerusalem, devout men from every nation under heaven” (Acts 2:5). Second, Peter accuses them of nailing (piercing) Jesus “to a cross” and putting Him “to death” (Acts 2:23). Third, those who were accused of nailing Jesus to a cross cried out in obvious repentance: “Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, ‘Brethren, what shall we do?’” (2:37). Fourth, 3000 souls repented and believed in Jesus as the promised Messiah (2:38–47). What else is necessary for Zechariah 12:10 and John 19:36–37 to be fulfilled?Endnotes:

  1. Preterism teaches that certain (most) Bible prophecies have already been fulfilled. For example, all Christians are preterists because they believe that all the messianic prophecies found in the Old Testament have been fulfilled. Similarly, New Testament preterists contend that additional OT prophecies have been fulfilled, either in OT historical events or in NT events leading up to and including the destruction of Jerusalem that took place in AD 70. A preterist interpretation of Bible prophecy is a long history, a point that Mr. Hunt rarely if ever mentions.()
  2. Kenneth L. Gentry, Jr., The Book of Revelation Made Easy, rev. ed. (Powder Springs, GA: American Vision, [2008] 2010), 119.()
  3. Tim LaHaye, gen. ed., Prophecy Study Bible (Chattanooga, TN: AMG Publishers, 2000), 1160.()
  4. F. W. Farrar, The Minor Prophets (New York: Fleming H. Revell, 1890), 220. S. R. Driver comments: “The context points plainly to some historical event in the prophet’s own time, for which the people would eventually feel the sorrow here described. . . . Accepting the text as it stands, the meaning can only be that, in the murder or martyrdom referred to. Yahweh had been thrust through in the person of His representative.” (The Minor Prophets [Edinburgh: T. C. &E. C. Jack, Ltd., 1906], 265). J. Gordon McConville follows a similar line of thought: “Though John 19:37 applies this verse to Jesus’ crucifixion the reference in Zechariah is to some event in the prophet’s time, or Israel’s history (cf. Baldwin 1972, p. 191). It may have been a murder or execution of some figure in a conflict over the leadership or direction of the post-exilic community” (Exploring the Old Testament: A Guide to the Prophets [Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 2002], 4:250).()
  5. Gerard Van Groningen, Messianic Revelation in the Old Testament (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Book House, 1990), 354, 358.()
  6. Homer Hailey, Commentary on the Minor Prophets (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Book House, 1972), 390.()
  7. Randolf O. Yeager, The Renaissance New Testament (Woodbridge, VA: Renaissance Press, Inc., 1979), 4:219.()
  8. R. T. France, The Gospel of Matthew: The New International Commentary on the New Testament (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 2007), 925.()
  9. James Smith, What the Bible Teaches About the Promised Messiah (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson, 1993), 453.()
  10. John Calvin, Commentary on the Gospel According to John, 2 vols. (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1956), 2:242.()
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Gary is a graduate of Western Michigan University (1973) and earned his M.Div. at Reformed Theological Seminary in 1979. He is the author of countless essays, news articles, and more than 27 book titles, His most recent book is Exposing the Real Last Days Scoffers. Gary lives in Marietta, Georgia, with his wife, Carol. They have two married sons and four grandchildren, Gary and Carol are members of Midway Presbyterian Church (PCA).



61 Responses to Is Jesus Going to Reign on Earth?

  1. J D says:

    Thank you for your insight. I see that after backing your thoughts with scripture, many refuse to believe the truth.They write back asressive comments without any schripture to justify their anger. Such a shame.

  2. Linda Mangino says:

    Did Noah’s ark land on Mt. Ararat? The answer is no. The ark came to rest on the mountains (plural) of Ararat (Gen. 8:4).

    BEING VERY LITERAL & CRITICAL OF A CULTURAL WHO WAS SO AMAZING & ADVANCED TO HAVE THE FORESIGHT TO KNOW OF IT’S IMPORTANCE MILLIONS OF YEARS LATER?? MORE IMPORTANT TO HISTORY……….IN YOUR EXAMPLE IT DOESN’T MATTER. THE FACT THAT THERE WERE PEOPLE OF EDUCATION & LITERACY IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT….WRITING IT IN THE 1ST PLACE GETS THE POINT ACROSS JUST FINE…..

  3. james hoffman says:

    The thousand years is a purl in the Greek and stands for a unknown number of years. Jesus said in many many place that the kingdom of God was not physical but that it is a spiritual kingdom. In fact Jesus told His people, the leader ship of Israel, and Pilot that his knigdon was not of the earth. You must find out all that God has to say before you make any way out statements.

  4. Angie says:

    Maybe I’m missing something. If…….Jesus were to rule over the earth physically, what kind of a body would He have? Would He then be limited in mobility or would He be as God the Father, omnipresent, omniscient, etc. Isn’t Jesus God? God is spirit, right? Someone clarify this please. Why would He HAVE to rule from the earth, old or new? He said His kingdom was not of this world. He always spoke of a spiritual kingdom? I just don’t get this “physical earthly rule”.

  5. joe says:

    Jesus will not reign on earth. He already reigns from Heaven. When the end of this world comes–then Christ will deliver His kingdom to the Father.

    For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For “God has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all. (1 Corinthians 15:21-28)

    Christ reigns as King by defeating Death. We reign through Christ and will defeat Death. Others who are not part of Christ’s Kingdom will perish when He comes. 2Thess1:7-9 Matt25:41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

  6. Mitchell says:

    It baffles me that so many people that read and comment on these articles have obviously not taken the time to read any of Gary’s books. On the other hand if your are reading this article you must have read other articles so why do your comments show such a lack of understanding of the preterist view? Friends, instead of reading articles in a vacuum do yourself a favor and read one of Gary’s books. Just drop him an e-mail or call customer service for a suggestion. Or maybe buy one of his books referenced in the article. No I’m not an AV staffer, I’m a former dispensationalist who has actually read and thought about preterism and has been convinced that viewing most prophecy as being fulfilled is more logical than dispensationalism. And when you read an article such as this remember you first have to shed your dispensational glasses, then read the scripture referenced, then ask if this explanation makes sense. If you read the article and scripture through dispensationally tinted glasses all you are going to see is dispensational objections to what is being presented. Think for yourself and ask yourself how many of those dispensational predictions have been right.

  7. Steven K King (BABC) says:

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  8. Steven K King (BABC) says:

    Who really cares as long as Jesus lives and reigns in the heart. What God has promised will come to pass, especially for His children’s benefits’ We ought to be about winning the lost!

    • Greetings Steven. I would say both Mr. Demar and I care, and probably some others. Winning the lost to Christ is fundamental, but, as stated by the Holy Spirit through Paul we all have to be careful on how we build on that foundation. Mr. Demar apparently has a concern, as I do, that we actually study what the Scriptures state. His article, and all the postings pro and con, will encourage us all to study the Word.

    • Dianne says:

      I know Jesus will rapture His church, soon I pray, but it is true that the job of Christians is to share the Gospel with all who will listen so there will fewer left on earth when the rapture happens

      • Douglass McFarland says:

        Dianne, you need to read the parable of the weeds. Read the Word: Matt 13: 36 Then he left the crowds and went into the house. And his disciples came to him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds of the field.” 37 He answered, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, and the good seed is the children of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the close of the age, and the reapers are angels. 40 Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the close of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, 42 and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

        The harvest is at the END OF THE AGE and the weeds are gathered first and cast away into the furnace. This secret church rapture thing is a hoax of the first order. NO ONE ever heard of it for 1800 years in church history. You have to divide up the people of God (which He has joined together) to make the hoax work. There is NO CLEAR SCRIPTURE stating such. I am left to wonder how people will just believe anything with no basis or foundation for it.

  9. I consider Gary Demar to be somewhat in error. Take for example his footnote (number 1) “For example, all Christians are preterists because they believe that all the messianic prophecies found in the Old Testament have been fulfilled.” No, my friend, we do not. There are many yet to be fulfilled. So, if he wrong on that point, I doubt he is right on some others. Also, I’m not sure if you all equate Christ with YHWH, but since He is, Joel 3:17-21 states He will dwell in Zion (which, v.17 shows is or is is at Jerusalem).

    • Mitchell says:

      Well excuse Gary for being human. I’m guessing that the ALL that procedes Old Testament prophecies was inserted in error. Gary’s point is that all Christians are preterists because they believe that SOME Old Testament prophecies have been fulfilled. You may want to do a little more reading and thinking before you start throwing the baby out with the bath water.

  10. Jeff says:

    In Zech 14:4 Christ returns and the mount of olives is cleft in two. This has obviously not happened yet.

    • Eudene says:

      I recently posted a comment to this article but I don’t see it anymore. My comment made the argument that Zech 14:4 did already happen at the first coming of Jesus. Jesus was literally standing on the Mount of Olives the night before his crucifixion. The image of the Mount of Olives splitting in half is figurative of the division among the people that Jesus’ incarnation and public ministry would cause. Everyone would be forced to make a decision either for or against Jesus. The valley between the two mountain halves is figurative of the way of escape that would be provided to the followers of Christ from persecution. The main reason for believing this passage has been fulfilled is the universal agreement that another prophecy just a few verses prior (Zech. 13:7, “Strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered.”)has been fulfilled. Zech. 12-Zech. 14 appears to be a related unit of prophecy talking about the same time period. Zech. 13:1 talks about a fountain being opened “on that day” for the House of David to wash away sin and impurity. This happened with Jesus’ death and resurrection. The House of David is the Church, the true Spiritual Israel of God. If you read the other prophets: Isa., Jer., Eze.,etc., they all talk about a battle where the nations attack Israel and God defends Israel. This recurrent battle scene is repeatedly connected with things that we know came into effect with the new covenant such as the Holy Spirit being poured out on all flesh, people’s heart being clean, idols being removed from the land etc. Thus, this great battle where all the nations gang up on Jerusalem is a spiritual battle that started a the first coming of Jesus.

  11. Thomas C. Nixon says:

    One thing that all these ‘earthly throne of Christ’ people seem to miss when they assert that Christ will reign on earth is the poisioned and polluted earth. The eart is not a fit habitation for the saints. So forget the babble about that myth. The 1000 years will be spent in heaven with Christ. The earth will be EMPTY of people who have died as a result of the ‘brigntness’ of Christ at his Second Advent. Gary De Mar is wrong, wrong, wrong as I have told him in emails that he has forgotten. Thomas C. Nixon Ph.D.

    • Eudene says:

      Are you a Seventh-day Adventist? I know that Adventists promote this idea that the saints will be in heaven and the earth will be empty. But what’s the Biblical support for the idea? When John saw the new Jerusalem (the Bride i.e., the Church), it was coming down from heaven. Where do you think it was going? It was coming to the earth obviously. Then John heard,

      “Look!God’s dwelling is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God.” Rev. 21:3

      “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb…the holy city, Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God.” Rev. 21:9-10

      “Look! I am making everything new…I will give to the thirsty from the spring of living water as a gift.” Rev. 21:5-6

      Jesus offered the Samaritan woman “living water” and that same living water has been available ever since Jesus’ resurrection. Since then, everyone who believes gets their robes washed white, gets to eat from the tree of life and enter the city gates of the new Jerusalem. Rev.22:14. The city gates are never closed because there is no night. Rev. 21: 25. However, outside the city are the dogs, sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and liars. Rev. 22:15. The city doesn’t need Sun or Moon light because it is a spiritual city not a physical city. Rev. 21;23. The nations walk in the light of the city because the gospel goes out from saints who give it to the earth dwellers. Rev. 21. 24. The kings of the earth bring their glory into the city when they get saved and become citizens of the holy city. This is the situation here and now.

      When God first created the earth, He said that it was very good. Gen. 1:31. When Adam and Even sinned, sin and death came into the world and we people became estranged from God. However God sent his Son into the world to rectify the situation and the situation has been rectified.

      Thus, everything has been made spiritually. Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away.” Rev. 21:1. God dwells with us saints now spiritually. Jesus is reigning and we are reigning with him spiritually. We are physically on the earth but we are spiritually in heaven now. We are in the period of the 1000 years.

      We, “have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God (the heavenly Jerusalem)…we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken.” Heb. 12:22, 28

      After offering the sacrifice of his own body, Jesus sat down at the right hand of God and, “is now waiting until his enemies are made His footstool.” Heb. 10;13

      The Lord declared to my Lord: ‘Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies Your footstool.’ The Lord will extend Your mighty scepter from Zion. Rule over Your surrounding enemies. Your people will volunteer on Your day of battle…The Lord is at Your Right hand; He will crush kings on the day of His anger. He will judge the nations. Psalms 110:1-6.

  12. John says:

    “And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them … and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years” (Revelation 20:4).

    The word millennium is never mentioned in the Bible. It is merely an English word which means “one thousand years.” For purposes of reference to this “one thousand years” spoken of in Revelation 20, verses 4, 5, 6 and 7, many use the word “millennium.”

    And WHERE will this “millennium,” or 1,000 years, be spent?

    It said the resurrected saints, together with those who are to meet Jesus Christ at His return in the air, are to “live and reign” with Him for ONE THOUSAND YEARS!

    Where?

    “And they sung a new song, saying, thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof—for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by the blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God Kings and Priests: and we shall reign ON THE EARTH!” (Revelation 5:10).

  13. Seek the truth says:

    Notice the title of this article is a question designed to introduce doubt to the reader. In a long winded round about way the article essentially says Jesus will not reign on earth.
    Does that sound like something God would want you to believe or rather something that Satan would want you to believe?

    This article basically says Jesus is a bodyless spirit and ignores that the bible says many things about Jesus’ return. The bible contains about 2400 prophetic scriptures dealing with the second coming of Jesus Christ. For example: Jesus comes back to earth to stop the battle of Armagedon with a word. The Mount of Olives splits when Jesus’ feet touch it. Jesus walks through the eastern gate of the third temple. Jesus will rule from the throne of David in Jurusalem. Now clearly the feet and tounge are part of a body. It takes a body to sit in a throne. Was Gary’s omissins of these scriptures deliberate? Notice that Gary only says that a certain chapter in the bible doesn’t specifically refer to a body. Duh! Saying a body isn’t mentioned in one chapter does NOT mean that it isn’t mentioned in others.

    Gary Demar is a self proclaimed preterist. A preterist believes the last days prophecies were already fulfilled in the first century AD. Hence their theory is that we aren’t living in the last days before Jesus’ return. All preterists have trouble explaining just exactly when the resurection of the dead happened. Why don’t you ask Gary when the dead were previously resurected since the last days prophecies have supposedly already been fullfilled? How does Gary explain the rebirth of Israel on May 15 1948, the exact day the Ezekiel predicted more that 2000 years ago? http://www.grantjeffrey.com/pdf/JeffBIBLE-EzekVision2.pdf
    How does Gary explain Mathew 24 where Jesus foretold the many signs of His return? Has the parable of the fig tree already been fulfilled? When did the Mount of Olives split under Jesus’ feet? Has the battle of Armagedon with a 200 million man army happened yet? Has the dead sea been filled yet? Do fishermen dry their nets on the shore of it? Has the third temple been rebuilt yet? Has the war of Gog and Magog happened yet? Has the antichrist ruled the planet yet? Has the mark of the beast been used yet? What was the name of the false prophet that accompanied the antichrist? Have we beat our swords into plow shares yet? Have all the prophecies shown here been fullfilled yet?
    http://www.thepropheticyears.com/comments/countdown_to_second_coming.htm How does Gary try to explain these things away?

    One of Satans greatest tools is doubt and misinformation. I wont be surprised to learn that Gary Demar is unwittingly prompted by Satan. It appears to me that Demar is an activist at distorting the bible and slandering those who accurately interpret it. Here is an example of Gary Demar’s slanderous distortion… “So Jesus was not the Messiah, and the NT is a fraud. That’s the logic of Lindsey’s position …” Anyone who watches Hal Lindsey knows that Hal reveres Jesus as the Messiah. This is a clear case of Gary Demar’s slanderous distortions. What is the difference between a deliberate distortion of the truth and a lie? Can you really trust Gary Demar to portray the entire truth? What do you think motivates him?

  14. Seek the truth says:

    Notice the title of this article is a question designed to introduce doubt to the reader. In a long winded round about way the article essentially says Jesus will not reign on earth. Does that sound like something God would want you to believe or rather something that Satan would want you to believe?

    This article basically says Jesus is a bodyless spirit and ignores that the bible says many things about Jesus’ return. The bible contains about 2400 prophetic scriptures dealing with the second coming of Jesus Christ. For example: Jesus comes back to earth to stop the battle of Armagedon with a word. The Mount of Olives splits when Jesus’ feet touch it. Jesus walks through the eastern gate of the third temple. Jesus will rule from the throne of David in Jurusalem. Now clearly the feet and tounge are part of a body. It takes a body to sit in a throne. Was Gary’s omissins of these scriptures deliberate? Notice that Gary only says that a certain chapter in the bible doesn’t specifically refer to a body. Duh! Saying a body isn’t mentioned in one chapter does NOT mean that it isn’t mentioned in others.

    Gary Demar is a self proclaimed preterist. A preterist believes the last days prophecies were already fulfilled in the first century AD. Hence their theory is that we aren’t living in the last days before Jesus’ return. All preterists have trouble explaining just exactly when the resurection of the dead happened. Why don’t you ask Gary when the dead were previously resurected since the last days prophecies have supposedly already been fullfilled? How does Gary explain the rebirth of Israel on May 15 1948, the exact day the Ezekiel predicted more that 2000 years ago? http://www.grantjeffrey.com/pdf/JeffBIBLE-EzekVision2.pdf
    How does Gary explain Mathew 24 where Jesus foretold the many signs of His return? Has the parable of the fig tree already been fulfilled? When did the Mount of Olives split under Jesus’ feet? Has the battle of Armagedon with a 200 million man army happened yet? Has the dead sea been filled yet? Do fishermen dry their nets on the shore of it? Has the third temple been rebuilt yet? Has the war of Gog and Magog happened yet? Has the antichrist ruled the planet yet? Has the mark of the beast been used yet? What was the name of the false prophet that accompanied the antichrist? Have we beat our swords into plow shares yet? Have all the prophecies shown here been fullfilled yet?
    http://www.thepropheticyears.com/comments/countdown_to_second_coming.htm How does Gary try to explain these things away?

    One of Satans greatest tools is doubt and misinformation. I wont be surprised to learn that Gary Demar is unwittingly prompted by Satan. It appears to me that Demar is an activist at distorting the bible and slandering those who accurately interpret it. Here is an example of Gary Demar’s slanderous distortion… “So Jesus was not the Messiah, and the NT is a fraud. That’s the logic of Lindsey’s position …” Anyone who watches Hal Lindsey knows that Hal reveres Jesus as the Messiah. This is a clear case of Gary Demar’s slanderous distortions. What is the difference between a deliberate distortion of the truth and a lie? Can you really trust Gary Demar to portray the entire truth? What do you think motivates him?

    • Kevin Olson says:

      Your probably a jew or a least have been initiated in you protestant revelations but Jesus does not rule on and from the earth but he rules now or God is not sovereign but you want to give alot of hope to the Christ killers. I am sad that this theological confusion exits. Physical Israel is nothing at all for that which is flesh is flesh Jesus said. Most Jews are Khazar converted Jews not real real descendants of Abraham but John the baptist says, Psay not we have Abraham to our father for God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham”. Your lack of understanding is not lack of understanding but a evil romantic love for the Christ killers. Jesus owes them nothing. Jesus died for them and it is not good enough for them and it is not good enough for you. They hated me without a cause was Jesus’ answer. The destruction of the temple in 70 ad was the sign of Jesus in heaven that the Mathew 24 calls the great tribulation but you dare call Gary Demar a minister of Satan well you just cursed yourself. You fail the test for the book of Revelation for it is a revelation of Jesus but you glory in its unfolding of Jews and antichirst and Satan other non sensical ideas because you have not the love of God that Jesus came to give and teach that you refuse. God has glorified Jesus over all things already and he rules even as God rules now and there is a final coming but you and all kinds of dispenstionalist have got all kinds of confusion. The Resurrection is at the end of the world and if the Jew Christ killers or gentile Chirst killers don’t get saved before they die it is to late but Jews don’t get another chance for they blew it and unless they accept Jesus as Lord now there will be no grace for them when Jesus returns at the end of the world to resurrect the dead. No secret rapture and no special appearing to the Jews. Partial dispensationalist do believe in a last day resurrection Judgment that deals with not getting saved but who already is and is not saved. The worst of tribulation is over none the less the word says in the world you shall have tribulation. The jews will not hold that land for they are unworthy of it and Jesus kicked them out of it because they are thieves and murders. Jesus will not rule physically from earth for Jesus said my kingdom is not of this world but as 2 peter three says it “heaven and earth” will melt and with a great noise. Jesus returns for harvest not for any to get salvation but for those that look for him in his salvation they already have from him. I am ashamed of so called Christians like you who think that they are no right and everyone else is so wrong. We do not hold to literal mark of the beast either so are we wicked also? We shall see but i would rather be in my boots then them dispensational boots when Jesus comes back for you have given to much to the killers. You have sided with them. Jesus may say since you loved them so much you may stay with them then as they go to hell to burn up.

  15. Notice the title of this article is a question designed to introduce doubt to the reader. In a long winded round about way the article essentially says Jesus will not reign on earth.
    Does that sound like something God would want you to believe or rather something that Satan would want you to believe?

    This article basically says Jesus is a bodyless spirit and ignores that the bible says many things about Jesus’ return. The bible contains about 2400 prophetic scriptures dealing with the second coming of Jesus Christ. For example: Jesus comes back to earth to stop the battle of Armagedon with a word. The Mount of Olives splits when Jesus’ feet touch it. Jesus walks through the eastern gate of the third temple. Jesus will rule from the throne of David in Jurusalem. Now clearly the feet and tounge are part of a body. It takes a body to sit in a throne. Was Gary’s omissins of these scriptures deliberate? Notice that Gary only says that a certain chapter in the bible doesn’t specifically refer to a body. Duh! Saying a body isn’t mentioned in one chapter does NOT mean that it isn’t mentioned in others.

    Gary Demar is a self proclaimed preterist. A preterist believes the last days prophecies were already fulfilled in the first century AD. Hence their theory is that we aren’t living in the last days before Jesus’ return. All preterists have trouble explaining just exactly when the resurection of the dead happened. Why don’t you ask Gary when the dead were previously resurected since the last days prophecies have supposedly already been fullfilled? How does Gary explain the rebirth of Israel on May 15 1948, the exact day the Ezekiel predicted more that 2000 years ago? http://www.grantjeffrey.com/pdf/JeffBIBLE-EzekVision2.pdf
    How does Gary explain Mathew 24 where Jesus foretold the many signs of His return? Has the parable of the fig tree already been fulfilled? When did the Mount of Olives split under Jesus’ feet? Has the battle of Armagedon with a 200 million man army happened yet? Has the dead sea been filled yet? Do fishermen dry their nets on the shore of it? Has the third temple been rebuilt yet? Has the war of Gog and Magog happened yet? Has the antichrist ruled the planet yet? Has the mark of the beast been used yet? What was the name of the false prophet that accompanied the antichrist? Have we beat our swords into plow shares yet? Have all the prophecies shown here been fullfilled yet?
    http://www.thepropheticyears.com/comments/countdown_to_second_coming.htm How does Gary try to explain these things away?

    One of Satans greatest tools is doubt and misinformation. I wont be surprised to learn that Gary Demar is unwittingly prompted by Satan. It appears to me that Demar is an activist at distorting the bible and slandering those who accurately interpret it. Here is an example of Gary Demar’s slanderous distortion… “So Jesus was not the Messiah, and the NT is a fraud. That’s the logic of Lindsey’s position …” Anyone who watches Hal Lindsey knows that Hal reveres Jesus as the Messiah. This is a clear case of Gary Demar’s slanderous distortions. What is the difference between a deliberate distortion of the truth and a lie? Can you really trust Gary Demar to portray the entire truth? What do you think motivates him?

  16. LouiseCA says:

    I don’t see anywhere in the Gospels where Jesus tells those gathered around the foot of the Cross that his wounds are “those that I received in the house of My friends”. Preterist interpretation of Scripture appears to be similar to Adventist belief that the devil won’t really be bound for a thousand years, he just won’t have any power to harrass Christians because Jesus won’t let him, so he’ll feel like he’s bound..or something. Six times in Revelation, the thousand year reign of Christ is referenced. The coming millennial reign of Christ on the earth is one of the clearest prophecies of the Bible. And what is the point of His decending onto the Mount of Olives and entering through the eastern gate, etc.? New International Version (©1984)
    On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. I’m sorry, but “living and reigning with Christ” with our King in Heaven and not here makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and is not Scripturally sound. The angels present at His ascension said He’s coming back just as He left. It appears to me that preterism is fueling materialism and anti-semitism in the Church. I don’t say they don’t love the Lord..I’m sure they do..but they are sorely misguided in the area of prophecy.

  17. ORB says:

    DeMar is correct, in part and only in part! Jesus Christ will not physically reign on this earth. However He will reign on the New earth. It seems that full preterists want to deny Revelation 20:11-22:21. I realize that the preterists [full] will try to allegorize these Scripture but they are entitled to be wrong and they are!

  18. You are correct that God’s throne is in heaven (II Chronicles 18:18), and that Jesus is now seated there with His Father upon that throne (Revelation 3:21b-c). However, in this last verse, Jesus makes a clear distinction between His throne and His Father’s throne: “To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with Me in My throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in His throne.” Although the Son shares His Father’s throne now, He is still expecting to sit on yet another throne (His own throne) in the future. This will be the throne whereof the Angel Gabriel spoke: “…the Lord God shall give unto Him [Jesus] the throne of His father David” (Luke 1:32c).

    David’s throne is NOT a heavenly throne (as you suppose). It is, instead, an earthly
    throne. You completely misconstrue what the Apostle Peter said on the Day of
    Pentecost: “Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him [David], that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, He would raise up Christ to sit on his throne” (Acts 2:30). Putting your own twist on this, you wrote: “Jesus occupies David’s throne in heaven.”

    In spite of what you think, Peter is only declaring that since Jesus has been raised from the dead, that He would now be able to fulfill the prophecy of sitting on David’s throne. This was very important to Peter’s audience. The Messiah was expected to do that — to sit on David’s throne. The resurrection of Jesus now made that possible.

    However, Peter did NOT say that David’s throne is in heaven, nor that Jesus was
    presently seated on it. Therefore, your interpretation of this verse is clearly eisegesis.
    There are numerous references to the throne of David throughout the Bible. None of them in any way suggest that David’s throne was — or ever would be — in heaven. You have to add that to the text — it is simply not there.

    As far as Jerusalem being the place of our Lord’s earthly throne, consider the prophecy of Ezekiel 43:7 — “And He [the Lord] said unto me, ‘Son of man, THE PLACE OF MY THRONE, AND THE PLACE OF THE SOLES OF MY FEET, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever’.” Although this does not mean that Jesus will be earthbound, it certainly does teach us that our Lord will be here on earth — personally, visibly and literally!

    This is why Zechariah tells us: “ And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto JERUSALEM to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain” (Zechariah 14:16-17). Why do they go to Jerusalem? Obviously, that’s where the throne is.

    • Jeff says:

      Jeremiah 22:27-30

      American Standard Version (ASV)

      27 But to the land whereunto their soul longeth to return, thither shall they not return.

      28 Is this man Coniah a despised broken vessel? is he a vessel wherein none delighteth? wherefore are they cast out, he and his seed, and are cast into the land which they know not?

      29 O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of Jehovah.

      30 Thus saith Jehovah, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days; for no more shall a man of his seed prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling in Judah.

      Hebrews 8

      1 Now in the things which we are saying the chief point is this: We have such a high priest, who sat down on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,

      2 a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, not man.

      3 For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is necessary that this high priest also have somewhat to offer.

      4 Now if he were on earth, he would not be a priest at all, seeing there are those who offer the gifts according to the law;

      Coniah or Jeconiah is listed in the linage of the Christ and his desendants will not reign in Judah or he would cease to be a priest forever. That is why Jesus said my Kingdom is not of this world. He is King now at the right hand of God.

    • Eudene says:

      Edward,
      I don’t think the distinction between God’s throne and Jesus’ throne is that clear. It could be that they are one and the same throne. The Bible sometimes uses words precisely but much more often it uses them loosely. In everyday human language, if a Monarch, say Queen Elizabeth said I’m going to grant to my son Prince Charles the right to sit on my throne at my right hand and then Prince Charles said to someone else, “Just as my mother has given me the right to sit on her throne, I’m going to give the right to John Doe to sit on on my throne at my right hand,” would it be logical to conclude that they are talking about two different thrones? I think the thrones discussed would be both joint and several thrones of the kingdom of Great Britian.

      Going back to God’s throne, God and Jesus are one so it follows that their thrones are in reality only one throne even if they are sometimes referred to separately. Is the kingdom that Jesus is supposed to rule any different from the kingdom God rules? Will God be the King only in heaven and Jesus the king only on the earth? I don’t think so.

      After Jesus’ resurrection, Jesus said, “all authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.” Matt. 28:18 Upon Jesus’ entry to Jerusalem for the Passover feast, the people shouted, “Blessed is the coming of the kingdom of our father David.” Mark 11:10. The Pharisees tried to get Jesus to stop people from saying this but Jesus refused. Luke 19:39. If the kingdom and throne of David was not going to be set up shortly, why did Jesus insist on this announcement?

      Jesus is quoted as saying, “I am the Root and the Offspring of David. Both the Spirit and the bride say, ‘Come!’ And the one who is thirsty should come. Whoever desires should take the living water as a gift.” Why is Jesus’ relationship with David being mentioned here in connection with “the Spirit,” “The Bride,” “Thirstiness,” and “Living Water?” It’s because there is a connection, Jesus assumed the throne of David when he ascended into heaven after his crucifixion but he is reigning from the new Jerusalem which has come down from heaven to the earth, spiritually speaking.

      Jeremiah records that God said, “I will raise up a righteous Branch of David. He will reign wisely as king and administer justice and righteousness in the land. In His days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell securely.” Jer. 23:5-6. Here we have a time text. In the days that Judah is saved and Israel dwells securely is when the Branch of David will reign on the throne of David.

      Judah was saved and Israel began to dwell securely when Jesus triumphed on the cross (Think spiritually rather than in physical terms). In the first century, John described Jesus as, “the firstborn from the dead and the ruler of the kings of the earth” Rev. 1:5 Zecheriah says, “I am about to bring My servant, the Branch…I will take away the guilt of this land in a single day.” Zech. 3:8,9. This Branch is the Branch of David. He took away the guilt of the land by his death, and then began to rule on the throne of David.

      Zech 6:12-13, “Here is a man whose name is Branch; He will branch out from His place and build the Lord’s temple…He will be clothed in splendor and will sit on His throne and rule. There will also be a priest on His throne, and there will be peaceful counsel between the two of them.” Again, the Branch is referring to the Branch of David. That he will build the Lord’s temple is significant because Jesus said to the Pharisees, “tear down this temple and I will build it up in three days.” Jesus referred to his body being the temple rather than a building. This temple has already been build and we, the church, are part of the temple just as we are Christ’s body.

      You cited Eze. 43:7 about the temple which is located on “a very high mountain” in the Land of Israel where the throne of Jesus is and the soles of his feet will dwell among the Israelites forever (Remember that not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. Rom. 9:6. Rather those who come through the promise are Israel) . This is the same temple that Jesus built in three days.

      Notice that the water which flows from the temple gets deeper and deeper the farther you go from the temple even though the temple is already located on a very high mountain. Eze. 47. Notice that there are trees on either side of the river flowing from the temple which bears fresh fruit every month and the leaves never wither and fruit never fails. These are the same trees that line the river that flows from the throne of God in the New Jerusalem in Rev. 22 where there is no temple.

      This is because the temple and the new Jerusalem are the same thing, i.e., the church, the promised land, the kingdom of God, the throne of David, etc. The water from the river in both cases is the “life-giver water” that Jesus said was available for all 2000 years ago. Similar life-giving way was predicted to flow from Jerusalem on a day that, “Yahweh will become King over all the earth.” Zech. 14:8. Referring to the same time period, a fountain was to be opened that would wash away sin and impurity from the House of David. Zech. 13.1

      Life-giving water is always associated with the Spirit which was poured out on all people at Pentecost and never with some future period.

      The borders of the land where the temple is located are the same boarders that were promised to Abraham: the Brook of Egypt to Damascus where the Euphrates is. Eze. 47:13-23

      A new city is also described at Eze 48:30 which is square with three gates on each side named for the 12 tribes of Israel just like the New Jerusalem city gates.

      The priest reigning at the same time as the Branch is highly significant because this was never allowed in Israel. However the offices of King, Priest, Prophet, and Judge have converged in Jesus. We are told in the book of Hebrews that we currently have a high priest that makes intercession for us. Thus we are in the period where the Branch of David and priest are jointly ruling.

      The people who are waiting for Jesus to come and reign physically are making the same mistake that the first century Jews made. He is reigning now and if you’re a believer, you are reigning too.

    • Kevin Olson says:

      Jerusalem which is above is the mother of us all Paul said in Galations and Hebrews 12 talks of mont zion the heavenly Jerusalem and this is what was Abraham’s destination a country not of this world. As far as David and the throne location you don’t believe that Daniel 9 seals up vision and prophecy at the end of the 70th week but you believe in a damnable parenthesis between the 69th and 70 th week of Daniel but I rebuke you for it for it is done already. David’s throne is called the “Throne of the Lord” in 1st or 2 chronicles but you want to literalize and grant the christ killers a kingdom on the earth. Such a nonsense because Jesus said neither in this mountain not at Jerusalem shall you worship the father as John 4 states but in Spirit and truth. you could connvince a basic bible reader of your heresy but not someone who is really learned. You give away things you have not right to give away. Jesus refused to be made king for he is a servant king not a ruling king of force. God said Zion is my rest their i will dwell forever and it is not in Physical Jerusalem for Jesus Jesus called that place in Mathew 23 a murdering place and it still is. The failure to know who the true people of God is is a great sin against you and not who but How Jesus will reign will put you far back in the line. Misunderstanding is because many Jews have infiltrated christianity and have concocted major heresy amonst us. The thousand year has dug a trench in your soul to give away alot of kingdom of God away. The word 1000 is used much but it has been used in the OT metaphorically abundantly enough to see that is not literal. This drives you crazy that we preterist deny it not as biblical but as literal. First and second resurections are your time problem for you insert 2 different times for resurections but Jesus would have none of that in the NT.

      Joh 5:28 Wonder not at this. For a time is coming when all who are in the graves will hear His voice and will come forth–
      Joh 5:29 they who have done what is right to the resurrection of Life, and they whose actions have been evil to the resurrection of judgement.

      ONE VOICE ONE RESSURECTION is all.

  19. You are correct that God’s throne is in heaven (II Chronicles 18:18), and that Jesus is now seated there with His Father upon that throne (Revelation 3:21b-c). However, in this last verse, Jesus makes a clear distinction between His throne and His Father’s throne: “To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with Me in My throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in His throne.” Although the Son shares His Father’s throne now, He is still expecting to sit on yet another throne (His own throne) in the future. This will be the throne whereof the Angel Gabriel spoke: “…the Lord God shall give unto Him [Jesus] the throne of His father David” (Luke 1:32c).

    David’s throne is NOT a heavenly throne (as you suppose). It is, instead, an earthly throne. You completely misconstrue what the Apostle Peter said on the Day of Pentecost: “Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him [David], that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, He would raise up Christ to sit on his throne” (Acts 2:30). Putting your own twist on this, you wrote: “Jesus occupies David’s throne in heaven.”

    In spite of what you think, Peter is only declaring that since Jesus has been raised from the dead, that He would now be able to fulfill the prophecy of sitting on David’s throne. This was very important to Peter’s audience. The Messiah was expected to do that — to sit on David’s throne. The resurrection of Jesus now made that possible.

    However, Peter did NOT say that David’s throne is in heaven, nor that Jesus was
    presently seated on it. Therefore, your interpretation of this verse is clearly eisegesis.
    There are numerous references to the throne of David throughout the Bible. None of them in any way suggest that David’s throne was — or ever would be — in heaven. You have to add that to the text — it is simply not there.

    As far as Jerusalem being the place of our Lord’s earthly throne, consider the prophecy of Ezekiel 43:7 — “And He [the Lord] said unto me, ‘Son of man, THE PLACE OF MY THRONE, AND THE PLACE OF THE SOLES OF MY FEET, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever’.” Although this does not mean that Jesus will be earthbound, it certainly does teach us that our Lord will be here on earth — personally, visibly and literally!

    This is why Zechariah tells us: “ And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto JERUSALEM to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain” (Zechariah 14:16-17). Why do they go to Jerusalem? Obviously, that’s where the throne is.

  20. Jeff S says:

    Best article and reasoning that I have read in a while.

    @ Brother Les

    I saw one of your previous post dealing with how to deal with the worry’s of the future, you addressed it exactly. If we don’t destroy ourselves with overt disobedience and sin the future can be unimaginable.

    An old but good reference, “The Ultimate Resource” and as the late Michael Crichton said in “States of Fear” DVD The Independent Institute “Most of these problems (such as carbon from fuels) is taking care of themselves, through the free market.” Para phrasing of course.

  21. Dennis says:

    I find it very interesting that a pic of a pagan jesus accompanies this article.Which isnt surprsing considering that all ideologies come from the Catholic church which permeates christianity today and is itself corrupted by pagan beliefs and ideas

  22. Carl Paschal says:

    Gary, Thank you for a fine article. There is one slight point I want to make. In your conclusion you stated that “Fourth, 3000 souls repented and believed in Jesus as the promised Messiah” (2:38–41). You should re-read that passage. (KJV) “38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    39For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.

    40And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

    41Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.”

    Of course, we understand that they believed and repented, but you, like most preachers, miss the fact that they had to be baptized (immersed) to be saved and receive the Holy Spirit.

    • Brother Les says:

      The Mosaic Temple Cultis used physical water immersion to cleanse the outside of the physical body before going up- to The Temple. John the Baptist immersed Joshua Messiah, but we must remember that Jesus was Born under The Law (of Moses) and He died under The Law. Now that you (we) are The Temple of The Most Hight the Baptisim is still literal, but it is by the Holy Spirit and the cleansing is on the inside. Ritual water cleanings does nothing but show an outward confession of Faith to those who do it and those around them. Your Salvation (Redemption, Resurrection) is by Faith, Repentance and by Grace. Babies can not understand this outward showing, but are ‘dipped’ at the traditions of ‘their’ fathers.

      We must also look at Peter. Who was he preaching to? Jews from every nation… Peter was of the circumcision and he understood the meaning of Matt. 5:17-19., which to the Jerusalem Sect of The Way was always The Mosaic Law + (plus) Jesus as the Messiah. Jesus came to Fulfill, not to destroy The Law of Moses.

      Mark 1:
      6And John was clothed with camel’s hair, and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild honey;

      7And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose.

      8I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.

      14Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

      15And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

      • Kevin Olson says:

        Jesus was no longer under the law of Moeses at the time of his baptism but was anointed and led of the Spirit after and Paul said if you be led of the Spirit you are no longer under the Law. Jesus did not keep or teach the law of Moses but Jesus did teach the 10 commandments and the new testament as a new covenant believer and he gave us his example and he was a sabbath keeper not a sunday keeper. Paul Peter and John said follow Jesus and Jesus was was not bound to Moses but Moses and elijah were bound to him.

  23. ThirstyJon says:

    My main question is this: Does Jesus ever physically return to earth??

    I have been drifting towards a partial-preterist position for several years now (maybe longer) but I would really like to hear partial-preterists answer this question.

    I know that full-preterists do not believe He will physically return. What about partial-preterists? What about Gary Demar??

    • Brother Les says:

      The answer to your question is in the article.

    • Eudene says:

      The way I understand it is: traditional preterists always believed in the physical 2nd coming of Jesus. In more recent times, some preterists started saying that the 2nd coming already happened. The traditional preterists denounced this as heresy but these new preterists sort of usurped the name of preterist and the traditional preterists had to start calling themselves partial-preterists to distinguish themselves from this new heresy which had come on the sceen. I’ve heard that the actual number of “full preterists” which deny the 2nd coming is very small and they are considered a heretical fringe group but the number of partial preterists i.e., traditional preterists is quite large and this has been an acceptable position since the very early days of the church.

    • Kevin Olson says:

      Jesus said I will receive you unto myself is that not good enough? He will return and not just by our death and resurrection so he comes back and every Eye shall see him. You can know him now not when you die and not just by the bible but a personal life in and with him is MOST important. Follow him in good and bad you know.

  24. E Harris says:

    I have a quick question about Postmillenialism & Partial Preterists & Preterists. Since most of their reasonings center on the distant, distant past… what do they make of humanity’s earthly future? How do we handle technology? Human population explosion (follow it forward a thousand years, to see what I mean)? How do they handle economic failure and success…into an indefinate (?) terrestrial future? How does it picture Jesus’ return? How does it picture ANYTHING in the future? Or is it content to leave the future a blank, for the atheists and the agnostics and the muslims to fill in…? I’m just curious.

    • Brother Les says:

      The future will be seen in The Kingdom that is being built from today. Are you waiting to be ‘raptured’ away? What will you tell Father God after you last physical breath when He asks about ‘you’ being The Body and building His Kingdom….. will you tell Father God that the world is getting worse and worse and that you could do nothing but tell people of ‘the wrath’ to come and ‘wait’ for your lazy behind to be ‘raptured’ away. Get far from me for I never knew you is what Father God would say to you. Build The Kingdom and tomorrow will take care of itself. why say this? Yesterday is gone and should be ‘forgotten’. Don’t dwell on yesterday, thegood, the bad… it will never return. Don’t dwell on ‘tomorrow’ (be prepared for a future by storing up today) as ‘tomorrow’ will never come. It is today that you have and make the most of it. what you do today will determine tomorrow. We (U.S. Christians) have lost a generation and a half because of fault dispensational rapture doctrine telling us to get out of Government and get out of ‘worldly’ leadership’…. by doing so ‘we’ have given up our power of influence over the country and world. What you do today is what shape the tomorrows.

      • David says:

        Thank you Brother Les.

      • E Harris says:

        Thank you, Bro Les!

        I doubt that I need to reply to your comments… but it’s fun.

        You stated: “The future will be seen in The Kingdom that is being built from today.” Amen! But what is the exact definition of the kingdom: isn’t it “peace, joy, and righteousness in the Holy Ghost”? That means that we work FROM the kingdom that resides in us, not for it. That also implies that only as we allow God to take ownership of what is inside us (our spiritual/psychological/moral selves) can we WORK OUT that which is within us. We don’t work for it, or usher it in. But we can create a hospitable culture that edifies other people to the point where they feel inclined to welcome Jesus into their hearts and lives as well. Does everything I said there, agree with you?

        “Are you waiting to be ‘raptured’ away?”

        No. But you probably already know that from my plethora of other posts, messy as they are.

        “What will you tell Father God after you last physical breath when He asks about ‘you’ being The Body and building His Kingdom.”

        We ARE the Body, we are (in the New Covenant) the Temple of God. The Holy Spirit takes up real residence within our beings. And we are His hands and feet on the earth. It is our duty first to seek His Face and love Him, and then offer ourselves as living sacrifices to Him…and serve in the way we talk and walk. The mystical and heart-oriented and the practical and earthly work go together – but a worship of the Father in spirit and truth comes before service. Otherwise it’s just empty.

        “what you do today will determine tomorrow.”

        Yes. And I wish more futurists would see this. Prophecy is not an inevitable string of events. If people change, and turn toward God, then God relents even on his promised judgments. God is of course the One who is empowering them to change, but still they must CHOOSE after having been empowered to do so.

        “We (U.S. Christians) have lost a generation and a half because of fault dispensational rapture doctrine telling us to get out of Government and get out of ‘worldly’ leadership’…. ”

        Yes. Sadly I agree. But now, with things as bad as they are, we are waking up to the fact that Jesus may not be “coming back” in the next year. Therefore, we have a responsibility as families…as citizens…etc. The awakening has already occurred, it just hasn’t been clearly articulated as a doctrine yet.

        And because the awakening FROM futurism hasn’t been clearly articulated as a doctrine, many preterists are unaware of the shift. Or they pretend that it hasn’t occurred.

        But the shift has been MASSIVE. The contents of the music, movies, and sermons, has shifted. I began to see this change around 1998… and it only has gathered force ever since. Code-words such as “kingdom” “Body” “hands and feet” “injustice” and the latest one “head and not the tail”… these things are working their way into our souls. Because some of us are beginning to be more INCARNATE in our approach to faith, than merely being entertained by a comic-book version of events that really don’t have anything to do with our daily lives.

        It is better to deal with the Christ and the Anti-Christ that YOU FACE in your daily life, than the ones that are distant and full of conjecture. This is where it becomes very useful to spiritualize things, and realize that we are the Body, we are the Temple. If you recognize that we are the only Temple of God in the New Covenant, then the guy sitting in The Temple declaring that he is above God or all that is called God…carries a lot more meaning in a spiritual sense. It points toward human nature, and how we structure our organizations (particularly those that accept the doctrine that tithe money is due them).

      • E Harris says:

        If the future will be seen in the outward kingdom that we are building or maintaining today…

        Then will we still have denominations when there are 100 trillion people or even 112 quadrillion? That would be a lot of people feeding their money into these systems. And what would the leaders of these institutions do with their buildings and influence? (I don’t honestly think denominations will last that long, and nor should we all just collapse into one big denomination…)

        America… how would America be structured when people begin residing among the stars? To bring it down to earth a little, how do we use the system that we currently have (present OR past) to help us carry property rights to space and the moon? Do we maintain a federal system as we have now, but across larger and larger areas of space? I’m just saying… it’s possible. Or maybe it isn’t.

        And what of all of the other countries?

        It seems obvious to me that for there to be peace, the christians are DEFINATELY going to have to be on top of our game… in order to make sure the world doesn’t go to war with itself in a million different ways.

        It’s true that we need smaller government, more freedom…but how does this translate to ownership in other terrestrial areas? It’s quite possible that there will be no overarching government. That somehow, human beings will calm down enough (through being converted to a non-statist form of Christianity) that they will not need as much security from each other. …and that massive amounts of wealth will move around (enabling spaceships and the like to be built, and technology developed) without a centralized fiat system.

        Or maybe God will give us a different means of reaching other places other than space travel as we think of it. Who knows? But whatever comes… humanity appears to be at a threshhold right now. We need a breakthrough, which can only come by the peace of spiritual Jerusalem in Christ.

        We picture going up to space… while the Bible pictures New Jerusalem (symbolically) coming down out of the heavens. We just may see (in our lifetimes) what this means. I am pretty sure that there are plenty of epiphanies and revelations that are already IN scripture, that God has yet to uncover for us. We have not because we ask not.

    • Kevin Olson says:

      Ps 110 says to Jesus sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool and that means God will fight for Jeus and will always win. The last enemy is death itself which is at the return of Christ. Oaul brungs this out in 1 cor. 15 and the other enimies that go down will go down but that also means somthing must be built up. The evil attitude of saying that you can’t polish a sinking ship is not God’s attitude not should it be yours. Christ is ruling from david’s throne and david drove out the giants out of Israel so Christ will out do david. This does not mean all will be saved or the devil will be converted but the victor reigns now.

  25. pingpongpal says:

    Is. 24:23 says, ” Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed; for Jehovah of hosts will reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem; and before his elders shall be glory.” I see this as being fulfilled since Jesus is ruling from Mt. Zion and Jerusalem now. Heb. 12:22 say, “But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels,” The heavenly Jerusalem is the church as stated in Gal. 4:26, “But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother.” Jesus reigns over the church and through the church as Eph. 1:22 says, “and He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.” I conclude that Is. 24:23 is fulfilled since Jesus is reigning over and through the church which is Hebrews and Galatians equivocate to Mt. Zion and the new Jerusalem.

    • Mrs.Paddy says:

      Matt 24:25-27 Behold,I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, behold, he is in the desert: go not forth; behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the son of man be.

      I haven’t seen this glorious return of Jesus yet. I believe he has made it plain that we won’t be able to miss his return.

      29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give up her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Then shall appear the sign of the son of man in heaven….

      Also: we have not yet seen the Abomination of Desolation spoken of by Daniel the Prophet, and repeated by Jesus Matt 24: 15-

      In the meantime we need to have a restoration of all things. Anyone who rejects the Torah is living in lawlessness (anomia). he said:
      If you love me: keep my commandments.

      • Brother Les says:

        Your are missing the audiene relevance of Matt.24:25-27. The ‘you’ in the verse is for the First Century generation.

        As for following ‘Torah’….. which torah do you mean? Torah is said to be ‘The Law’….. What ‘law’ do you mean? Do you follow the ‘Ten’? Do you following Rabbinical 300 and some odd…? or Do you follow the Two?

        ‘Churchanity’ hangs their hat on the Mosaic ‘ten’…..
        ‘Judaism’ hangs their hat on the Rabbinical ’300′ and some odd…

        Who follows the ‘Torah’ of two? It does not sound like you do, as Christ has ‘plainly’ not come to you. You are Judged by your Torah and you are condemned by it.

      • Gram says:

        Mrs. Paddy, in your posting on 12 Sept., we have already seen the darkening of the sun, moon, and falling of the stars. You can go back in history, where it is recorded about all of these
        taking place. The sun darkened in May 1780, noon time was
        as dark as midnight. The people had to use candles to see where
        they were going. That same night the moon turned to blood.
        Then the falling of the stars took place Nov 13, 1833. These things were all part of the Sixth Seal of Rev. 6:12. The opening
        of the Sixth Seal started to take place around 1755, with the
        Lisbon earthquake occuring Nov 1, 1755.
        A lot of the comments on Jesus ruling from Jerusalem are
        taking the wrong Jerusalem. This is referring to the Holy
        Jerusalem, which is in Heaven. Jesus will never set foot on
        earth until after the judgement (1,000 years) has taken place.
        All the righteous people will be in Heaven at that time helping
        to judge the wicked. After that 1,000 years of judgement is
        done, then the Holy City (Jerusalem) with the righteous and
        Jesus will descend down to earth, but not touching, to deliver
        the final blow to Satan and his workers. At that point of time,
        every knee shall bow, and declare God (Trinity) to be just and
        fair. After that happens Satan and all his workers (wicked people) will try to take the Holy City with saints. Then Jesus
        rains down fire on all the people with out the Holy City to
        destroy sin once and for all.

    • k says:

      you are so right and you see that church is God’s instrument to rule this world.
      So we must lean and prepare and help the world not curse them to hell. We can and must offer answers not problems but now the Jews have ransacked America and have corrupted our officials and Obama that muslim communist has done many things to undermine this Christian nation so go fight for the right but only do what God has called you to do.

  26. Mrs.Paddy says:

    What is ‘cozy’ about Bible prophecy?
    Jesus said: “For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.” Matt 5:18. I ask you: has heaven and earth passed away? What is the ALL that needs to be accomplished before we can remove a jot or tittle from the LAW (Nomia/Torah)? Not all of Bible prophecy has been fulfilled. Jesus will come again…else why would he have said he would? He came to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom. The Meek will inherit the earth. Rev 5:10 And have made us to our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

    Seems to me not all of Bible prophecy has been fulfilled. This is evident when you study the Feasts of the LORD (not the Jews) that are shadow-pictures of things to come.

    Zechariah 14:4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem. And the Mount of Olives will split apart, making a wide valley running from east to west. Half the mountain will move toward the north and half toward the south.

    has this happened yet? No. It is yet to occur. In the meantime, we would be wise to read the Prophecies of Zechariah, and educate ourselves about the GREAT Tribulation wherein no man would be saved alive save the days be shortened.

    • Not sure where Gary hinted that Jesus wouldn’t come again…LOL… Also, you seem like most Dispy’s to be muddling passages together that have no point this particular conversation. Joel Mcdurmon just did a great article on Jesus feet already touching Mount Olives that you should check out. Also, the Heavens and the EArth of that age did pass away and were shaken according to Hebrews 12. So you have to conclude in your view that we are still in the Old Covenant and the New has yet to come. Try accounting for Salvation with that in mind.

      Anywho, again Gary that’s a great article. No one has yet to address the Revelation 20 jugganaut that you have laid out.

      • Gary DeMar says:

        Actually, I was the one who wrote on the Mount of Olives. You can read it here: http://americanvision.org/5120/jesus-already-stood-on-the-mount-of-olives/

        I also linked back to it in this article. See “In a previous article I responded to some comments made by prophecy writer Dave Hunt in his answer to a question that appeared on his Berean Call website.”

        The fact that Jesus is going to touch down on the Mount of Olives per Acts 1 does not mean that He is going to stay to set up a thousand-year earthly kingdom. Rev. 20 does not say anything about such an earthly reign.

      • Sorry Gary…good catch…

      • Mrs.Paddy says:

        You might want to listen to this taped broadcast that clarifies many of the misconceptions here. To think that all things have come to pass already is not Biblical. Rev 20 states that Satan will be bound for 1,000 years. Okay. Has this happened? The four resurrections are confusing, but only if you do not put aside the false teachings (like a pre-trib rapture, etc) that have no Biblical basis. Rev20:5 ..the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. http://michaelrood.tv/teachings/the-end Michael gets to the heart of these prophecies toward the end of the teaching. We are not in a ‘new’ covenant, we are in a RENEWED covenant. What makes you believe that Jesus was here to abolish the law and the prophets? He specifically states that he did not come to do that. Why would YHWH spend 2000 years teaching His instructions, just to abolish them? Most Christians believe in the 10 commandments…yet almost without exception, they disregard the one commandment (number 4) that YHWH told us all to ‘remember’. Until the restoration of all things….what do you suppose he meant by that? I would recommend reading the Law and Grace by Bennett for further insight into this matter.

    • Brother Les says:

      Until ‘Heaven and Earth’ pass away… Heaven and Earth are not a ‘what’…. they are a ‘WHO’…. and that ‘Who’ has passed away. Your Jot and Tittle have been fulfilled.

      As for the Feasts of The Lord (seven Feast)…. the solemn convocations of the dress rehersels of The Real. Do you still keep all seven Feasts? Do you go UP to Jerusalem 3 times a year and bring your tithes to The Temple? We should know that the Feasts of the Lord are a ‘type’ and they (Mosaic Cultis Israel) were waiting for The Real. We know as Messiahtains that the first 4 Real Feast were Literaly Fulfilled in the New Testament writtings. The Feasts of Unleaven Bread and Passover and First Fruits and Feast of Weeks are documented in NT Scripture. Will it not following in the SAME timeline of the First Passover and the 40years of wondering in the Wilderness when Joshua leads The People into The promised land. Types/Anti-types…… The Feast of The Lord have all come to pass in reality.

  27. Oh my goodness…. The Death of Premill has been written…. Reposting this asap. Great article Gary!!!

    Grace and Peace,
    seal

    • Brother Les says:

      The Death of all ‘Mills’ has be written. There are no more Pr-mill…A-mill…Post-milll…… Eternity is not a ‘mill’…..

  28. May Lyn says:

    Thank you, Gary, your explanations of fulfillment are clear and to the point…providing Scripture proof is ultimately necessary to back up our understanding of audience relevance.

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