It seems that there are more nutball Leftists than there are grains of sand at Myrtle Beach. One of the kookiest is Michelle Goldberg. Here’s her latest “journalistic” screed: “Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry aren’t just devout — both have deep ties to a fringe fundamentalist movement known as Dominionism, which says Christians should rule the world.” Here’s a little known secret: It’s liberal Dominionists like Michele Goldberg who want to rule the world. She’ll tell you otherwise, but it’s Liberals who use the power of the State to implement their worldview and force everyone to live under their draconian laws. It’s Liberals who want to centralize political power in a national system. It’s Liberals who want to control education, the media, healthcare, financial institutions, oil companies, and business and make us pay for their hair-brained schemes.
I met Miss Goldberg at Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church at a creation conference a few years ago. I was one of the speakers. She was there doing research for her book Kingdom Coming: The Rise of Christian Nationalism. Here’s some hyped jargon from the site promoting it:
Journalist Michelle Goldberg has been covering the intersection of politics and ideology for years. Before the 2004 election, and during the ensuing months when many Americans were trying to understand how an administration marked by cronyism, disregard for the national budget, and poorly disguised self-interest had been reinstated, Goldberg traveled through the heartland of a country in the grips of a fevered religious radicalism: the America of our time. From the classroom to the mega-church to the federal court, she saw how the growing influence of dominionism — the doctrine that Christians have the right to rule nonbelievers — is threatening the foundations of democracy.
I’m sure you noticed what I noticed. Change a few words here and there, and you would swear that Miss Goldberg was describing liberalism in general and the Obama administration in particular. You see, dominion is an inescapable concept. Every ideology is about dominion. But unlike the Dominionists on the Left, who want to increase the power of the State, tax the productive into poverty, and remove all limits from government spending, Dominionists on the right want to decrease the power of the State, shrink the onerous tax burden on productive Americans, and force the federal government to live and spend within its constitutional boundaries.
As I mentioned, Miss Goldberg was at a conference where I was speaking. I don’t remember if I approached her (unlikely) or she approached me (more likely). I do know that we spoke for a long time on the subject of her book and the topic of Dominion. It didn’t matter. She had no intention of getting the story straight. But this didn’t stop her publicist from writing the following:
“With her trenchant interviews and the telling testimonies of the people behind this movement, Goldberg gains access into the hearts and minds of citizens who are striving to remake the secular Republic bequeathed by our founders into a Christian nation run according to their interpretation of scripture.”
Really? Not once did she take a note or record a word of anything I said. Why? Because what she was hearing from me did not fit what she was already planning to write. My explanation of what dominion was all about didn’t fit her preconceived paradigm.
True to form, Miss Goldberg is using her straw-man approach to journalism in an attempt to burn the reputations of two Republican presidential candidates who are no more Dominionists than Mickey Mouse. She and her fellow-leftists want to radicalize them so no one will notice how radical their worldview is.
Keep in mind, that the radicals control the schools where the majority of Americans send their children. In addition to all the nonsense that goes on there, California Gov. Jerry Brown, a Leftist Democrat Dominionist, signed a bill that requires “public schools to include the contributions of people who are gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender in social studies curriculum.” “History should be honest,” the governor said. “This bill revises existing laws that prohibit discrimination in education and ensures that the important contributions of Americans from all backgrounds and walks of life are included in our history books.”
Do you remember the California case where a high school history teacher from the Cupertino Union School District was prohibited from providing supplemental handouts to students about American history because the historical documents contain some references to God and religion?
This talk about Dominionism goes back a ways. Essentially, anybody who does not agree with a Leftist agenda is a radical Dominionist. Rush Limbaugh spotted the tactic when he discussed the conspiratorial fear of the Left on the topic of Dominionism during his May 2, 2005 show. The discussion was prompted by a series of articles that appeared in the June 2005 issue of Harper’s Magazine. It seems that anyone who believes that Christians should actually take their faith seriously enough to want to see cultural and moral changes occur in America is a Dominionist.
The way the Harper’s articles explain Dominionism is so extreme as to be laughable. Christians are linked to Adolf Hitler and fascism. Dominionists want to reinstate slavery and rule by genocide. Where do they get this stuff? For historical accuracy, Nazism and fascism are Leftist ideologies. They were Leftist Dominionists. A Nazi is a “national socialist.” Today’s Leftist Dominionists are socialists.
As long as Christians only talked about their faith, they were ignored by the radical Dominionists on the Left. Now that Christians are actively exercising their faith — theologically, legally, and constitutionally — Leftist Dominionists are frantic. They now have competition, and they don’t like it. Prior to 1976, there was no identifiable Christian voting block, and thus no political competition. There were three major television networks, ABC, CBS, and NBC, controlled mostly by liberals. National talk radio was unheard of unless you could tune into the late-night broadcast hosted by Long John Nebel (John Zimmerman), a late-night show originating from New York and reached half way across the United States. Conservative talk radio did not impact America until the early 1990s when in 1987 the Fairness Doctrine was dropped. (Walter Martin, Christian writer and expert on the cults, often appeared on his show. You can listen to his debates with famed atheist Madalyn Murray O’Hair and Hugh Schonfield, author of The Passover Plot.) The monopoly is over, and the gate keepers can’t stop competing opinions, so they demonize their opponents. We saw this recently when Democrats described members of the Tea Party as “terrorists.” It’s no wonder that Leftist Dominionists like Sen. John Kerry wants the media not to “give equal time or equal balance to” what he believes are “absurd notion[s] just because somebody asserts [them] or simply because somebody says something which everybody knows is not factual.” His “absurd notions” are things he disagrees with. Cutting spending and stopping deficit spending are to him “absurd notions,” and he wants the media to cut off all debate on the subjects. The same is true with Leftist Dominionist Al Gore who wants the Global Warming debate to stop so the government can start controlling every facet of our lives.
Here’s how I defined dominion in the 1988 book The Reduction of Christianity:
The exercise of this dominion is ethical. It does not come automatically, nor is it imposed top-down by a political regime or by an army of Christians working frantically to overthrow the governments of the world. Such a concept to dominion is rather the essence of secular humanism: the religion of revolution. God’s people exercise dominion in the same way that Jesus exercised dominion — through sacrificial obedience and faithfulness to the commandments. Dominion comes through service.[1]
More Christians are beginning to believe that when civil government is doing something evil (e.g., legalizing abortion, redefining marriage and the family, spending our hard-earned money like there’s no tomorrow, and printing money, thus, making the money we hold less valuable), Christians have a duty and a right to act on that belief and work for change as they did to abolish the slave trade. William Wilberforce wrote in his diary on October 28, 1787: “God Almighty has set before me two great objects, the suppression of the slave trade and the Reformation of society.”[2] Wilberforce and the anti-slavery movement were about “dominion,” dominion over the evil of slavery. I know, it was a horrible thing to exercise such peaceful dominion. Leftists are enamored with the war our nation fought to abolish slavery. More than 625,000 Americans died in that exercise of dominion and set back race relations a hundred years.
The theology of dominionism has been a part of Christian thought for a good part of the twentieth century. The concept is based on the “dominion mandate” of Genesis 1:26–28. It is interesting that in 1988 Henry Morris, certainly not known as a Dominionist as the Left uses the term, set forth a theology of dominion in his book The Biblical Basis for Modern Science. According to Morris, the “dominion mandate” (his usage) includes science, technology, the humanities, commerce, law, civil government, and education, in short, every facet of human culture. Morris notes:
[L]ong before [the Great Commission] another great commission was given to all men, whether saved or unsaved, merely by virtue of being men created by God in His image. It also had worldwide scope, and has never been rescinded. It had to do with implementing God’s purpose in His work of creation, just as Christ’s commission was for implementing His work of salvation and reconciliation.[3]
Morris says that the command to subdue the earth means “bringing all earth’s systems and processes into a state of optimum productivity and utility, offering the greatest glory to God and benefit to mankind.”[4] So then, there is nothing unusual about advocating dominion based on Genesis 1:26–28. Dominion is not all about politics. In fact, politics plays a small part in those who hold dominion theology.
There is a theological and logical relationship between the “dominion mandate” of Genesis and the Great Commission of Matthew 28:18-20. Dr. Harold John Ockenga, in his Introduction to Carl F. H. Henry’s 1947 (notice the date) watershed book The Uneasy Conscience of Modern Fundamentalism, writes:
A Christian world- and life-view embracing world questions, societal needs, personal education ought to rise out of Matt. 28:18-21 [sic] as much as evangelism does. Culture depends on such a view, and Fundamentalism is prodigally dissipating the Christian culture accretion of centuries, a serious sin. A sorry answer lies in the abandonment of social fields to the secularist.[5]
Dominion is an inescapable concept. Liberals have been practicing their brand of Dominion for quite some time. They claim that Christian Dominionists want to reinstate slavery and rule by genocide. This is nonsense. Leftist Dominionists have used the force of law to allow women, with the help of their doctors, to kill more than 60 million pre-born babies since 1973. Yes, Christian Dominionists believe its evil to kill preborn babies!
The modern welfare state is a sophisticated form of slavery. Consider the subtitle to Star Parker’s book Uncle Sam’s Plantation: How Big Government Enslaves America’s Poor and What We Can Do About It. She understands the nature of government-sponsored slavery since she lived as a slave on Uncle Sam’s plantation and experienced its dehumanizing effects.[6]
Instead of attacking Christian Dominionists, the hyperventilating attack dogs on the Left should police their own junkyard. And while they’re at it, they might want to spend more time on the real threat to America and the world — Muslim extremists who want us all dead.
Endnotes:- Gary DeMar and Peter Leithart, The Reduction of Christianity: A Biblical Response to Dave Hunt (Ft. Worth, TX: Dominion Press, 1988), 24–25. [↩]
- Quoted in Peter Hammond, Slavery, Terrorism, and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat (Cape Town, South Africa: Christian Liberty Books, 2005), 12-13. [↩]
- Henry M. Morris, The Biblical Basis for Modern Science (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Book House, 1984), 41. “The responsibility of administering capital punishment is the greatest responsibility of human government. It implicitly entails the obligation also to control those human actions which, if unchecked, could easily (and often do) lead to murder (e.g., robbery, adultery, slander, greed). The dual role of government is that of both protection and punishment–protection of the lives, property, and freedoms of its citizens, and just retribution on those citizens who deprive other citizens of life, possessions, or liberty” (45–46). [↩]
- Morris, The Biblical Basis for Modern Science, 41. [↩]
- Harold J. Ockenga, “Introduction,” in Carl F. H. Henry, The Uneasy Conscience of Modern Fundamentalism (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1947), 14. [↩]
- Star Parker, Uncle Sam’s Plantation: How Big Government Enslaves America’s Poor and What We Can Do About It (Nashville: WND Books, 2003). [↩]
Gary is a graduate of Western Michigan University (1973) and earned his M.Div. at Reformed Theological Seminary in 1979. Author of countless essays, news articles, and more than 27 book titles, he also hosts The Gary DeMar Show, and History Unwrapped—both broadcasted and podcasted. Gary has lived in the Atlanta area since 1979 with his wife, Carol. They have two married sons and are enjoying being grandparents to their grandsons, Calvin and Paul. Gary and Carol are members of Midway Presbyterian Church (PCA).
Thanks to all on this thread that have reaffirmed my belief that ALL religion is dangerous and should be pushed to the periphery of society before it destroys everything in a self-fulfilling vision of apocalypse.
I haven’t seen this muchwar is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength since I read 1984 originally. No wonder the US ranks so low on every quality of life and measurement of healthy society metric there is!
Hi Gary,
Loved your article! I am Jewish, and also a proud conservative. I know that the best supporters for Israel are
absolutely Christian conservatives! Keep up your great work!
I have to say, as an Arab Christian, I am so thankful that the gospel is now gone out to Gentiles, and is found in the church, the true Israel of God
I read one of Naomi Goldberg’s books in seminary. It was called, “The Changing of the Gods”. It infers that the goddes is god and the male god brings wars and bad things. It’s a feminest agenda that she seeks to spread. Big Jim
Your take is correct. This is another Liberal effort to distort. Liberalism uses the same tools that the nazis and communists used; no other belief system is tolerated. They are based on such a mound of lies, corruption, etc, that any other opinion is a threat no matter how small, and must be ruthlessly stampted out. That is why conservatives are so systematically attacked. A current and very ironic feature is that Liberals have formed a “brotherhood” bond with muslims under the straategy that an enemy of my enemy is my ally. So Liberalism has allied itself with a culture that actively promotes oppression, while Liberalism presents itself as the opposite. I wonder if Liberals get headaches from the cognitive dissonance
I really do not understand all this discussion of dominion. Christ’s kingdom is not of this world. And yet, as univeral sovereign, he is ALREADY exercising dominion over all the affairs of men. That he allows “liberals” or “christians” to exercise limited dominion here and there until Christ comes again is solely at His own good pleasure. Since the 1st century until now, Christians have expected the return of Christ to consumate all things and affirm the dominion that Christ ALREADY exercises. St. Paul was not expecting Rome to lay down her arms before Christians before Christ returned but instead called on Christians to submit to earthly powers and, behind the scenes as it were, continue to spread the gospel. Since Israel is the OT church, Christ’s dominion is primarily seen in the NT church, not in secular governments. Israel was not a picture of secular governments, but of the church surrounded by the secular world. Hence, all the promises and detailed laws were given to Israel, and not to those outside of the faith. The same principal applies today.
Christian “dominionism” is just a natural progression of following Christ. Nations and all individuals are held to the accountability of Scriptures, whether they “believe” them or not. Christians govern their households in accordance with God’s Word. Christians in the community seek to have their communities governed in accordance with God’s Word. Governments who do not rule in accordance with the Word do so to their own peril, and to the detriment of all their inhabitants.
However, Christians do not promote a Christian government through force or coercion. Also, we are not under the false impression that a “Christian” government converts souls. And finally, a “Christian” government is not a Church government, that is, the role of national government is NOT that of the Church or of self-government. The differences in roles must be understood. It is my belief that a Christian Government would be fairly libertarian (though not entirely so), leaving the church and individual self-government quite a bit of latitude.
However, we should be aware that there is a form of so-called Christian Dominionism that DOES promote the use of force to achieve their goals. This view would put in place the sorts of laws found under Sharia Law, but in the so-called name of Christ.
When discussing Dominionism, we must be sure to define your terms (as Gary did, above).
And yet, isn’t there a disconnect — when God called on Israel to apply his laws, he expected them to use force to do so. But there is no need to have a disconnect. And there is no need for Sharia law. What there is a need for is a recognition that Christ’s rule is now primarily in the church (although he rules over all things). In the church, God’s laws can be enforced — it is in the church that Christ gives his people authority to loose and bind in the context of church discipline. The church can require nothing of an unbelieving nation — we proclaim the gospel and call on men to repent, but we cannot enforce anything. Let’s stop pretending we have dominion we were never intended to have dominion (as a church — certainly nothing wrong with Christians running for office) and instead exercise dominion in the church with proper discipline and love for each other so that world may know we are His disciples. Disciples of a king whose kingdom is of another world.
Gary,
I find it interesting that you would use Henry Morris’ hermeneutic from Genesis. Are you are lending credence to that same hermeneutic applied to the rest of the Bible?
Also, another problem in your argument is that the Scriptures are clear that the “Great Commission” of Matthew 28 was fulfilled in the first century. Until we accept the “plain truth” of Scripture we will never understand the proper way to interact with the “world”.
Pointing to Genesis 1 as the dominion mandate, outside of the Covenant Context of Scripture only gets you into trouble. For instance, since you believe that Adam was the first human being on the earth, that would mean that the dominion mandate necessarily didn’t include other humans, cultures or government systems. How could it, they had not come into existence when it was given.
If the dominion mandate of Genesis 1:26-28 included other men, politics and governments then it means that they existed at that time! Goodbye YEC.
The dominion mandate is fulfilled in Christ (New Adam) and the Church (New Eve) in the New Creation, the New Covenant. It’s that simple. The Great Commission was fulfilled in the first century because it had to be before the end of the Old Covenant Creation came to a close (the end of the age). The Bible makes so much more sense if we just understand the covenant context and get out of our modern egocentric scientific mindset.
How do we interact with the world today? Well we need to go back to the drawing board (many full-preterist are already there). But trying to elect Christian Statist and trying to set up “Christian Nations” that compete with the Kingdom of God will only lead to confusion, war, and futility.
Your last line was particularly telling since you are so fond of using Henry Morris’ hermeneutic the same hermeneutic that fuels christian Zionism that fuels the hatred of America by middle eastern countries.
It’s time to admit that Christians, using the power of a “Christian Nation” have sinned (and continue sinning) greatly against Muslim’s, Christians and Jews in the middle east.
According to Daniel’s fulfilled prophecy, there is no more “Caesar”, christian or non-christian. That needs to be our starting point.
Hopefully you get this before the Russians, I mean the Chinese, no wait, I mean the Muslims kill all of us…
..” christian Zionism that fuels the hatred of America by middle eastern countries.”
uh, Muslim Hatred is explained in Gen. 3:15 and the problem of evil, evil against God’s Law which is still instilled in our culture and institutions.
Its also fueled by the evil incarnate that is orthodox Islam’s Jihadist Theology of a Global Caliphate with Global Shariah Law that is to be spread by the sword.
Or has Thomas Jefferson and John Adams reported it to Sec. John Jay:
It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy’s ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once. [12]
Micah, you’ve gone off the deep end on several points. On Henry Morris: Just because a person is wrong in one area does not mean he’s wrong in every area. You’re a perfect example of this truth.
Mark Dobert:
It would do you (and other Libertarians) good to read Selwyn Duke’s “The Crusades: When Christendom Pushed Back”:
The year is 732 A.D., and Europe is under assault. Islam, born a mere 110 years earlier, is already in its adolescence, and the Muslim Moors are on the march.
Growing in leaps and bounds, the Caliphate, as the Islamic realm is known, has thus far subdued much of Christendom, conquering the old Christian lands of the Mideast and North Africa in short order. Syria and Iraq fell in 636; Palestine in 638; and Egypt, which was not even an Arab land, fell in 642. North Africa, also not Arab, was under Muslim control by 709. Then came the year 711 and the Moors’ invasion of Europe, as they crossed the Strait of Gibraltar and entered Visigothic Iberia (now Spain and Portugal). And the new continent brought new successes to Islam. Conquering the Iberian Peninsula by 718, the Muslims crossed the Pyrenees Mountains into Gaul (now France) and worked their way northward. And now, in 732, they are approaching Tours, a mere 126 miles from Paris…
http://thenewamerican.com/index.php/history/world/2876-when-christendom-pushed-back
Rodney Starks book on the subject is a must read, like his book “Victory of Reason” http://www.amazon.com/Gods-Battalions-Crusades-Rodney-Stark/dp/0061582603/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_3
It does well to debunk the ‘libertarian Marxist’ historical lies and half-truths on the subject.
The ONLY reason the Middle East today is Muslim and Not Christian is because of the Islamic Crusades, started by Muhammed himself. The Islamic Doctrine of Abrogation(“Cancel and Replace”) says to devout Muslims that it is the Later Surah’s that came about at the End of Muhammed’s life that Apply today. These later Surah’s are the Jihadist, Global Caliphate commandments which is what Muhammed was doing when he started the Muslim Crusades.
If not for Charles Martel at Poiters Europe would’ve became Muslim and we wouldn’t be hear to discuss this. The Christian Crusades were justified, as Stark shows and were in fact pushback against Islamic Aggression.
I could care less about Europe and its atheist/socialist ways that have gotten it to where it is today. They will reap what they sow when the muslims they import take over their countries via out breeding them because of their abortionist policies and their socialist security programs that need to be funded by immigrants to pay for the lazy gov’t sucking slugs who accept it. I don’t believe we should spend one nickel or send any of our children to die for them either. We have butted our nose into Middle eastern affairs for way to long starting with the crusades and ending with our current boondoggles in Iraq and Afghanistan. We have assassinated their leaders and installed our own tyrants who tortured their own people by the millions with our CIA’s assistance. Is it any wonder they hate us? Where in the Bible does it say we have to mind another country’s business and nation build? It doesn’t. Where does it say we should invade another country to steal their resources? It doesn’t. It does say “Thou shalt not commit murder” and Thou shalt not steal” or “Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s good”! Stop drinking the “patriotic Kool-ade” and start reading your bible and your constitution. There’s nothing in either about central bankers stealing our wealth and running our country into the ground and enslaving us . But it does say things about usery and beware of deceitful rulers who trick you into wars and gov’t scam programs or going into large debt. BTW: Rick Perry used to be Al Gore’s campaign manager! Is he a changed man now? I doubt it because he just got Bush’s to run for president which means he’ll working for the Federal Reserve and not us. You’ll see.
I’d prefer Muslims in my country than an intolerant bunch of Christians like yourself. The Muslims I know keep their religion for themselves. For them religion is a private matter, and not something they would like to force on someone else. Muslims have never tried to convert me, like some Christian people have tried to do.
Cromwell:
I woke up this morning seeing this headline in Yahoo. Let’s just hope that Ron Paul and the rest of his Libertarian lemmings take advantage of this, and leave it to Christian conservatives to restore sanity to our once great Christian nation:
“Pay Pal founder and early Facebook investor Peter Thiel has given $1.25 million to an initiative to create floating libertarian countries in international waters, according to a profile of the billionaire in Details magazine.
Thiel has been a big backer of the Seasteading Institute, which seeks to build sovereign nations on oil rig-like platforms to occupy waters beyond the reach of law-of-the-sea treaties. The idea is for these countries to start from scratch–free from the laws, regulations, and moral codes of any existing place. Details says the experiment would be “a kind of floating petri dish for implementing policies that libertarians, stymied by indifference at the voting booths, have been unable to advance: no welfare, looser building codes, no minimum wage, and few restrictions on weapons.”
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/silicon-valley-billionaire-funding-creation-artificial-libertarian-islands-140840896.html
Peter Thiel is also Gay and the money pushing GOProud.
All the more reason to banish him to a Loonatarian island.
Doug, check this at Future of Freedom Foundation by Laurence Vance. Good stuff.
http://www.fff.org/comment/com1108m.asp
It’s incredible considering the extent that secular liberals would go in smearing Christians and theonomists. Good article, I hope when people google her name when it comes to Theonomy, people would read your response Gary. God bless you.
Its not just Liberals smearing Perry and Bachmann on religious grounds, its also the Anarchist Joel is allied with
http://www.lewrockwell.com/politicaltheatre/2011/08/despicable-pols/
2 Despicable Pols
Posted on August 15, 2011 by Lew Rockwell
Politicians do despicable things as a matter of course, but running mock-religious campaigns, as Perry and Bachmann do, pretending to be religious figures themselves and claiming that the hand of God is on their shoulders when they’re actually genocidal maniacs, is about as rotten as it gets.
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^ Just a small excerpt of much along the same lines. Checkout Paul’s latest political ad, he is the messiah, he is “The One” who will unite Republicans behind his pro-polygamy and to the Left of George McGovern’s humanistic and crazy foreign policy views.
I love Ron’s foreign policy. Light through good deeds not through the flash of a gun or bomb.
George McGovern’s foreign policy on steroids is not Biblical, particularly Paul’s head in the sand, lie at any cost version of it.
So you want a continuation of the war mongering status. Set up puppet governments,false flags, kill innocent civilians to continue your agenda,train others to do your dirty work( Saddam Hussein, Bin Laden etc.) Do you actually listen to what he says. Also I suppose your not a big fan of Peter Schiff or Jesse Ventura either.
oh, yeah I’ve listened and know a good bit about these things and totally rejects the easily debunked Lies of the Far-humanistic left.
On what philosophy do base your ideas on Crom. It sounds like your typical neocon jibberish to me. “Kill’em all and let God sort’em out right? But where do you get the money to pay for it all and whose sons (and daughters) will you use to do your bidding.
I beleive in National Defense, calling a spade a spade and defending God’s Law.
Saddam Hussein was a state Sponsor of terrorism and violated American Private Property Rights and Security. Contray to the lies, he did work with Al-Qaeda.
http://husseinandterror.com
Doug, first, what proof do you have that the federal government actually helped the terrorists attack us on 9/11? And then it turns around, declares war on them, and eventually kills their leader. What a double-crosser!
Second, look at US history. Every single president who was or claimed to be an isolationist or non-interventionist, eventually got us into some of the most foolish and costly wars. Jefferson, with his purposeful mismanagement of relations with Great Britain, got the US into a senseless war for which it was extremely unprepared. Roosevelt the First and his escalation of the Spanish-American War. Wilson with WWI and the contempt he earned for mishandling foreign policy with Latin America. FDR and WWII, and LBJ and the Vietnam War. Every single one of the presidents that I mentioned above, claimed to some degree to be opposed to foreign intervention, and every single one of them got us into a senseless war. Ron Paul won’t be any different.
Crom: Who put Saddam Hussein into power via a coup? Who was on the CIA’s payroll for years (as was Osama Bin Laden!)? Who gave him the chemical weapons he used against his own people and in the aftermath, who sent in experts to assess the damage and take the pictures? Saddam was our stooge until he decided to go against the bankers and decide to stop taking US dollars for oil and demand Euros or gold instead. This cheesed off the bankers who would have none of that and they used their bought and paid for main stream media in to whoop us all up to go to war because he had WMD’s. It’s happening in Libya as we speak. The bankers will not be mocked. Stop quoting the propaganda and start doing your research. I am not a liberal or a libertarian, just someone who’s sick of being lied to and manipulated into doing the devil’s work. If Christians stopped helping this gov’t and the bankers do their bidding, then they would soon collapse. So lets hurry them along and stop helping them.
Mark, the reason why we helped Bin Laden in the 1970s was because (1) we didn’t know he was a terrorist, and (2) we needed an ally to fight the Soviets in that region during the Afghanistan War (a hot flare of the Cold War). When we found out about his terrorist leanings, we fought back against him.
You may not be a libertarian or even a liberal, but you’ve fallen sway to libertarian propaganda.
Great article Gary.
Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,’ says the LORD Almighty.
“Leftist Democrat Dominionist”, I like the term!