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Ron33
Ron33

What all these fools fail to remember is that the bible tells us that no man, not even Jesus Christ (The son of God) himself knows when..only the Father knows.  That's where they made their mistake..I believe the rest of the events to take place, they piece together pretty well..IT'S JUST BY PUTTING A """WHEN"""ON IT THAT THEY STEPPED INTO A BEAR TRAP?/Ron

Kent
Kent

Another thing that Chuck Smith said in either End Times or Future Survival, I have both books but they aren't in front of me at the moment, that because Russia had invaded Afganistan it was a prelude to attacking Israel which would be in fulfillment of the prophesy of Ezikeil. Smith was also making an issue out of the tenth nation of the European Community becoming a member, that it was the ten kingdoms from the Bible, but what is there now, twenty seven members of the European Community? In addition, Smith was saying that because all of the planets were going to be on the same side of the sun in 1982, the so called Jupiter Effect, that more earthquakes were headed our way but in reality there were less than the average number of quakes that year. Smith, of course, pointed to the earthquakes being another end times sign. Well, none of the things Smth predicted happened but he is still considered an expert on end times events? I don't get it!

Peter J Shepherd
Peter J Shepherd

Gary: I am trying to live the the words, "Seek to understand, not to be understood." I am trying to understand Preterism. Are you saying that all end time prophecy has already been fulfilled. Are you saying that the Acts 1 prophecy has been fulfilled? - when the disciples were watching Jesus ascend into heaven, an angel told them that He would return in the same manner - personally, visibly, and physically. Are you saying that the I Thessalonians 4 prophecy is fulfilled - "the dead in Christ shall rise first, then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the air, and so shall we ever be with the Lord." Are you saying that the Ezekiel 38 war has already taken place? Are you saying that the war in Revelation, where 1/3 of the world's population is wiped out, has happened already? If all prophecy is fulfilled, why are there currently "wars and rumors of wars? Why is "kingdom rising against kingom." If all prophecy is fulfilled, what of the technology where a "mark" or microchip could easily be inserted in your forehead or microchip, to provide positive identification, without which a person would not be able to buy or sell. What of the so-called "New World Order." I am not an expert in prophecy, although I do believe we are living in the end time, and that the church will be here for the Great Tribulation, something neither Chuck Smith or Hal Lindsay believe, but I would like to understand your point of view with reference to the above points. If all prophecy is fulfilled, what is there to look forward to? When is the final judgement? When is the resurrection of the just, also known as the "first resurrection." Peter J Shepherd

Sean McDonald
Sean McDonald

Mr. DeMar, Could you please name a Reformed Protestant who held to your theory of prophetic interpretation, prior to the 1800s? You will, of course, recognize that calling men "Preterists" because they understand Matthew 24 largely to be addressing the subject of the destruction of Jerusalem is quite improper (Historicists have frequently held an identical interpretation of that passage); one must also take into account their interpretation of passages such as 2 Thessalonains 2, 1 Timothy 4, Revelation 13, 17, etc.

Barney
Barney

Why do people cut up Matthew 24 instead of taking it as a whole. It is speaking about the coming of the Lord in A.D. 70 to use the Roman armies to destroy Jerusalem.

Micah Martin
Micah Martin

Amen Barney, Matthew 24 is fulfilled including the "no one knows the day and the hour". Camping has made a mockery of Christianity but so are the people that are responding by saying "no one knows the day and the hour". As one pastor said, they are just kicking the can down the road. Well it's time to kick the can right back at them. We do know the day and the hour because as Gary has shown, Matthew 24 is fulfilled. The day and the hour is in our past. If you want to hear a passionate sermon check out this Harold Camping Roast: http://www.truthinliving.org/ Blessings, Micah

Winston
Winston

"No man knows the day or time, not even the Son, but only the Father." Attempting to second-guess God when He makes it clear in His infallible Word is an act of saying "I know what Jesus doesn't even know"... a slap in the face of God. Scripture tells us that those who lead sheep astray will fall under harsh judgment.

James L. Martin
James L. Martin

Is saying " Not in your lifetime really that much different than setting an actucal date. Gary Demar has said such a thing as 'not in your lifetime'? Not the same camp as Camping but close enough to be neighbors.

Jason Lollar
Jason Lollar

Des, I started really digging into this about four years ago. Here are some of my favorite that are easy to start with... Gary's book that really hits the whole subject well. 1. Last Days Madness -- Gary DeMar 2. Matthew 24 Fulfilled -- John L. Bray 3. Perilous Times -- Kenneth Gentry But before I ever got to these, I read quite a few from every perspective. Since I'm already typing I'll list some key resources on my shelf [(Pr) Preterist, (H) Historicist, (A) Amillennial (P) Postmillennial]....some combine ideas: Prophecy & The Church (P) -- Allis; The Bible and the Future (A) -- Hoekema; Victory in Jesus (Pr) -- Bahnsen; The Meaning of the Millennium (all) -- Clouse; Present Reign of Jesus Christ (H) --Caringola; Great Prophecies of the Bible (H) -- Woodrow; Postmillennialism -- Mathison; End Time Delusions (H) --Wohlberg; A Case for Amillennialism -- Riddlebarger; Triumph of the Lamb (A) -- Johnson Above are easy and helpful reads. Below are some more in-depth resources if you're a serious seeker: He Shall Have Dominion (P) -- Gentry; Revelation Four Views (all) -- Gregg; The Days of Vengenance (Pr) -- Chilton NIGTC The Book of Revelation (A) -- Beale The Approaching End of the Age (H) -- H. Grattan Guinness Hope that helps. I'm sure Gary would add Kik's An Eschatology of Victory, and Campbell's Israel and the New Covenant Happy Studies! JD

Mary Natha
Mary Natha

@Des - Calvary Chapel isn't Armenian [sic] in its theology. According to Wikipedia "Calvary Chapel strives to "strike a balance between extremes" when it comes to controversial theological issues such as Calvinism's and Arminianism's conflicting views on salvation. Did Chuck name the Month, Day and hour in 1981 like Camping? So he was wrong...it's not the end of the world (pun intended).

Des S. Ireland
Des S. Ireland

Mary thank you for your comment. In Smiths paper Calvinism V's Armienism he tries to put a balance between the two sides and balance is the general objective having been at the foundations of Calvary Chapel in my country and attending two congregations in the United States for a number of years it is evident that doctrines vary from Calvary Chapel Dublin/Crosspointe teaching that a man can loose their salvation and being actively opposed to any expression of the perseverance of the saints. To other congregations who would be three or four point Calvinist opposing definate redemption/limited atonement and in some cases the total depravity of man leaning on a gospel that believes that man has the ability to trust Christ within him. It is true that within the Calvary Chapel system doctrine varies from congregation to congregation so I guess a better term is that they are non--calvinist. Up until the remonstrance by followers of Armenius orthodox Biblical Christianity was and indeed remains Calvinist/Augustinian and those outside orthodoxy be they trying to maintain a balance remain outside of orthodoxy. Since Lindsay, Camping , and Smith aren't Reformed but trace their theology from churches formed by Amenians its not surprising that they then contine on walking away from orthodoxy. Des S. Ireland

Job
Job

Preterism was created by the Roman Catholic Church as an attempt to undermine the reformers' polemical use of Revelation against them. Further, the amillennial system was basically created by "Saint" Augustine in response to criticisms over the declining fortunes of the Roman Empire. Why any Protestant rejects sola scriptura in order to adhere to popish propaganda needs to be explained.

Gary DeMar
Gary DeMar

Preterism has a long history and was not created by the Roman Catholic Church any more than the doctrines found in the Apostle's Creed and Nicene Creed were created by the RCC. Preterism can be found in the writings of Eusebius (c. 263–339), in particular his 'The Proof of the Gospel (Demonstratio evangelica)', as well as in other pre-Augustinian writers. See the translation works of Fancis X. Gumerlock.

Job
Job

The epistle to the Hebrews was most likely written after the destruction of the temple.

Gary DeMar
Gary DeMar

All the books were written prior to AD 70. Even the liberal theologian John A.T. Robinson came to this conclusion. See his book "Redating the New Testament." Josh McDowell writes: “Most liberal scholars are being forced to consider earlier dates for the New Testament. Dr. John A.T. Robinson, no conservative himself, comes to some startling conclusions in his groundbreaking book Redating the New Testament. His research has led to his conviction that the whole of the New Testament was written before the fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 (Robinson, RNT).” (Josh McDowell, Evidence for Christianity: Historical Evidences for the Christian Faith [Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson, 2006], 80). Also: “Indeed, it is becoming an increasingly persuasive argument that all the New Testament books were written before 70 A.D.—within a single generation of the death of Christ.” (John Ankerberg and John Weldon, Ready With An Answer: For the Tough Questions About God [Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1997], 364–365). Reprinted as Handbook of Biblical Evidences (2008).

Des S. Ireland
Des S. Ireland

Gary Interesting article as a dispensationalist who is looking into the truth about the end times I found it fairly balanced. In the last number of years Chuck Smith has changed his views on a number of topics and it is a long time ago since 1981 currently within the Calvary Chapel system those books you mentioned aren't available nor is biblical prophecy as big an issue within the CC system as it may have been in the 1980's It is true that Calvary Chapel is dispensationalist and also Armenian in its theology. Its unlikely that "christian" organisations will address the whole issue of 'end times now' because it is a large money spinner for so many organisations. As a believer I'm seeking to rightly handle God's Word when it comes to prophecy and I'd like to be able find information written by people before modern dispensationalism came into existance it seems many people can point me to books against dispensationalism but so far to no books about end times before Darby and some Irishwomen came up with the idea of the rapture and the rise of zionism . If you could point me in that direction that would be nice thanks Des, Ireland

Jason Lollar
Jason Lollar

Des, Sorry, now I realize you're looking for older resources. Unlike my diatribe above, I'll just list one that is very good and a quick read: "The Destruction of Jerusalem, An Absolute and Irresistible Proof of the Divine Origin of Christianity" by George Peter Holford (written in 1805) Covenant Media Press has a new, 69 page edition... V/r JD

Randy
Randy

Gary! I recognize that book cover, it came from my site :) I frequent your blog. Keep up the good work; I've learned a lot from you.

Gary DeMar
Gary DeMar

Randy, thanks for putting it up. I have two copies, but it's easier to find one on line than having to go through the scanning process. I also have "The Final Curtain," "Future Survival," and "Snatched Away!," a hard one to find. It's interesting how Smith's books seem to have been "scrubbed" from the internet.