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Published on November 22nd, 2010 | by Gary DeMar


How a Legacy Can be Squandered

Frank Schaeffer, the son of the late Christian worldview apologist Francis Schaeffer (1912–1984), writes the following in a post-election article that was published on the ultra-liberal Huffington Post website: “One reason the Republicans won on Tuesday is because many of their supporters have already given up on this world and are waiting for the next. I know, I used to be one of them.” One of the major faults of his father’s worldview was its lack of a viable eschatology. I’m not the only one to make this observation. William Edgar, a professor of apologetics at Westminster Theological Seminary, recounts the time in the 1960s he spent studying in L’Abri, Switzerland, under the tutelage of the elder Schaeffer:(1)

I can remember coming down the mountain from L’Abri and expecting the stock market to cave in, a priestly elite to take over American government, and enemies to poison the drinking water. I was almost disappointed when these things did not happen.(2)

Edgar speculates, with good reason, that it was Schaeffer’s eschatology that negatively affected the way he saw and interpreted world events. One of Schaeffer’s last books, A Christian Manifesto, did not call for cultural transformation but civil disobedience as a stopgap measure to postpone an inevitable societal decline. “The fact remains that Dr. Schaeffer’s manifesto offers no prescriptions for a Christian society. . . . The same comment applies to all of Dr. Schaeffer’s writings: he does not spell out the Christian alternative. He knows that you ‘can’t fight something with nothing,’ but as a premillennialist, he does not expect to win the fight prior to the visible, bodily return of Jesus Christ to earth to establish His millennial kingdom.”(3) This view has been true for millions of Christians. Providentially, the cracks in the foundation of this prophetic edifice are beginning to show.

Frank Schaeffer is right about a generation-long preoccupation with the end times among evangelicals and fundamentalists. Long before he wrote his latest irrational and misinformed rant, I and others have been writing about the impact or lack thereof eschatology has had on culture, education, and politics. My critique, contrary to Schaeffer’s, has been exegetical. That is, I offer biblical reasons why books written by Tim LaHaye, John Hagee, David Jeremiah, Thomas Ice, Ron Rhodes, John MacArthur, Mark Hitchcock, and others are wrong on the subject of prophecy. That’s why you will never find anything like the following, written by Schaeffer, in anything I’ve written on the topic. Notice the lack of any biblical analysis:

The Left Behind novels have sold tens of millions of copies while spawning an “End Times” cult, or rather egging it on. Such products as Left Behind wall paper, screen savers, children’s books, and video games have become part of the ubiquitous American background noise. Less innocuous symptoms include people stocking up on assault rifles and ammunition, adopting “Christ-centered” home school curricula, fearing higher education, embracing rumor as fact, and learning to love hatred for the “other,” as exemplified by a revived anti-immigrant racism, the murder of doctors who do abortions, and possibly even a killing in the Holocaust Museum.(4)

And now that the “death panel”(5) republicans who also claimed Obama is the Antichrist(6) are in power, maybe it’s time to take a look at the religious insanity that beats at the heart of their movement.

The younger Schaeffer is not the only person to criticize end-timers as dangerous, especially in the area of foreign policy. For example, Chip Berlet and Nikhil Aziz write the following in “Culture, Religion, Apocalypse, and Middle East Foreign Policy”: “It’s hard to believe, but the Bush administration’s foreign policy and the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq are influenced by the writings of a cave-dwelling hermit who had apocalyptic visions some 2000 years ago.”(7)

There is no doubt that many Christians are otherworldly and have no interest in culture or the dirty business of politics. Many more Christians are eschatologically schizophrenic. They believe that we are living in the last days but still engage society at some level. You can see it in a book like David Jeremiah’s The Coming Economic Armageddon. But why warn about such a thing when the subtitle links the economic Armageddon to “Bible Prophecy” that all the current prophetic signs point to? I used to believe that these guys were sincere but misguided about their beliefs. But now I’m not so sure. They may be in it for the money.(8)

Prophecy writer John Hagee writes in a similar way. In one book, Financial Freedom, Hagee sets forth “What you must do to survive the devastation of an economic collapse!”(9) In another book, published two years later in 2010, Hagee asks, Can America Survive?: 10 Prophetic Signs that We are the Terminal Generation.(10) He devotes an entire chapter to the “terminal generation” in his 2003 book The Battle for Jerusalem.(11) Hagee is not the first to use the “terminal generation” idea. Hal Lindsey made the phase popular in 1976, nearly a generation ago!(12) A 1977 review of Lindsey’s book The Terminal Generation gets it right:

Lindsey has unquestionably tapped the pervasive apocalyptic mood in American society. The realization is growing that we are living in a world of limits, not an open future. Unfortunately, neither Lindsey’s strained attempts at biblical interpretation nor his socio-political analysis will help people to understand their world and act in faith and responsibility. Lindsey and his readers might ponder the calm wisdom of 1 Peter 4:7: “The end of all things is at hand; therefore keep sane and sober for your prayers.”(13)

The use of 1 Peter 4:7 is interesting. Peter wrote this around A.D. 63, and yet he says “the end of all things is at hand,” that is, it was near for his first-century audience. Nearly 2000 years have passed, and “all things” are still here. The apostle was describing the end of all things related to the old covenant, not the end of the space-time universe. Their redemption was not by way of silver or gold or animal sacrifices, “but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ” (1 Peter 1:18-19). Peter’s reference to “silver or gold” may be an allusion to the temple (2 Kings 14:12-14: Ezra 5:14). With the passing away of the temple in A.D. 70, there would no longer be any need for animal sacrifices or the temple itself.

Economic, political, moral, and religious conditions seemed to have set the world on the brink of destruction numerous times in history. Economic circumstances were so bad in Israel thousands of years ago that some people resorted to cannibalism (Deut. 28:53-57; 2 Kings 6:28-29; Jer. 19:9). Josephus relates an account of a woman who killed, cooked, and ate her own child during the siege of Jerusalem which began in A.D. 70. Adam Clarke offers the following comments on Leviticus 26:29:

Ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, etc.— This was literally fulfilled at the siege of Jerusalem. Josephus, Wars of the Jews [Book 6, Chap. 3, sec. 4], gives us a particular instance in dreadful detail of a woman named Mary, who, in the extremity of the famine during the siege, killed her sucking child, roasted, and had eaten part of it when discovered by the soldiers!

There have been other economic crises in the not too distant past, and we have weathered them: The Great Depression in the United States and the hyperinflation in Germany where the United States dollar was worth 4 trillion German marks. We can include two world wars, prime indicators used by the prophetic speculators that the end was near. The late Larry Burkett wrote The Coming Economic Earthquake in 1991. It was republished in 1994 and included the following subtitle: “Revised and Updated for the Clinton Agenda.” Evaluating economic conditions and the state of foreign policy can and should be done without weaving a web of prophetic intrigue, especially since so many have been so wrong for so long. There’s enough in the Bible on economics and politics that can be appealed to without framing everything in prophetic terms. If you get the prophecy wrong, many may suspect that you’re getting other things wrong as well, including who Jesus is and the authority of His Word.

But back to Frank Schaeffer’s comment, “One reason the Republicans won on Tuesday is because many of their supporters have already given up on this world and are waiting for the next. I know, I used to be one of them.” This makes no sense since many attribute Christian voters to the large turnout.

According to [Ralph Reed and his Freedom and Faith Coalition's] polling information released Wednesday [November 3, 2010], 32 percent of voters identified themselves as members of the conservative Christian movement. That number represents an increase over their 2006 data. Of those voters in their survey who self-identified as conservative Christians, 78 percent voted Republican.

Much of what Frank Schaeffer writes these days does not make much sense, as I’ve previously pointed out (see here and here). Why would Christians get involved in the political process if they knew that end was right around the corner? Don’t get me wrong. There are lots of people who do believe the end is near, and they don’t get involved. But this is beginning to change. Christians are reevaluating their end-time beliefs. Some very prominent Christians are no longer in the prophetic speculation camp. I’ve spoken to several of them. There are very few (if any) scholars defending the prophetic system made popular by mounds of books and articles on the subject. Many who still teach it do so because they need a job. The published defenders of the system continue to write their popular books. There still is a market for them, but their audience is shrinking. For some time now I have attempted to engage some of these men in public debate on the subject. They won’t do it. It would be the best thing for them, however. They would either shut me up or their poor showing would drive a stake through the heart of their system and end the charade quickly.

Frank Schaeffer has squandered his father’s legacy. Some of his criticisms of Christian conservatives are partially correct (as were his father’s), but they fall on deaf ears because he comes off as a spoiled and angry child (even though he’s nearly 60) and offers no alternatives either to the dualistic worldview of evangelicalism or the hate-filled and irrational splatterings of the radical Leftists he has hitched his latest wagon to.Endnotes:

  1. William Edgar, “Francis Schaeffer and the Public Square” in J. Budziszewski, Evangelicals in the Public Square: Four Formative Voices on Political Thought and Action (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Academic, 2006), 174.()
  2. William Edgar, “Francis Schaeffer and the Public Square” in J. Budziszewski, Evangelicals in the Public Square: Four Formative Voices on Political Thought and Action (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Academic, 2006), 174.()
  3. Gary North and David Chilton, “Apologetics and Strategy,” in Tactics of Christian Resistance: A Symposium, ed. Gary North (Tyler Texas: Geneva Divinity School, 1983), 127–128. Emphasis in original.()
  4. Schaeffer is referring to James von Brunn, the man who allegedly shot and killed a guard at the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C., on June 10, 2009. Von Brunn was a virulent racist and anti-Semite. He was also an evolutionist and anti-Christian. Von Brunn is a creature of the anti-Christian Left. See Bob Unruh, “Darwin-loving museum shooter hates Bible, Christians,” WorldNetDaily (June 11, 2009): http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=100882 Also see Kathy Shaidle, “Holocaust Museum shooter von Brunn a 9/11 ‘truther’ who hated ‘neo-cons,’ Bush, McCain” (June 10, 2009).()
  5. Since publication of Schaeffer’s article, Democrat operative Paul Krugman has come out in support of “death panels.” “The left’s favorite economist, who condemned others for saying ObamaCare would require death panels, now admits they are real and necessary. The way to control costs, he says, is death and taxes.” (“Krugman Endorses Death Panels,” Investors.com (November 16, 2010).()
  6. Only a few nut balls claimed that Obama might be the antichrist, certainly no more than Democrats who still believe George W. Bush is the devil incarnate.()
  7. Chip Berlet & Nikhil Aziz, “Culture, Religion, Apocalypse, and Middle East Foreign Policy,” Right Web 5 (December 2003). The cave-dwelling hermit is a reference to the Apostle John and his “writings” refer to the book of Revelation.()
  8. For the record, I don’t get paid any royalties for any of the books I’ve written. In fact, I no longer draw a salary from American Vision where all of my books are published.()
  9. John Hagee, Financial Freedom (Lake Mary, FL: Front Line, 2008).()
  10. John Hagee, Can America Survive: 10 Prophetic Signs that We are the Terminal Generation (New York: Howard Books, 2010).()
  11. John Hagee, The Battle for Jerusalem (Nashville: Thomas Nelson, 2001), chap. 5.()
  12. Hal Lindesy with C.C. Carlson, The Terminal Generation (Old Tappan, NJ: Fleming H. Revell Co., 1976).()
  13. John M. Mulder, “A Review of Hal Lindsey’s The Terminal Generation,” Theology Today 33:4 (January 1977).()
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Gary is a graduate of Western Michigan University (1973) and earned his M.Div. at Reformed Theological Seminary in 1979. He is the author of countless essays, news articles, and more than 27 book titles, His most recent book is Exposing the Real Last Days Scoffers. Gary lives in Marietta, Georgia, with his wife, Carol. They have two married sons and four grandchildren, Gary and Carol are members of Midway Presbyterian Church (PCA).

19 Responses to How a Legacy Can be Squandered

  1. Gary DeMar says:

    American Vision is sponsoring a prophecy conference June 1-4, 2011. I am trying to line up dispensatationalist writers to participate in a prophetic forum. So far I don’t have any takers. If you know of anyone who has published in area of Bible prophecy who believes Matt. 24 is yet to be fulfilled, Revelation was written around AD 95, and Ezekiel 38 and 39 is a prophecy about modern-day Russia, have them get in contact with me.

    I would love to have John MacArthur to participate, but I doubt that he would do it.

  2. Jon LaRosa says:


    Why do you waste your energy refuting pretribulation dispensationalists? They are really not the enemy. You may disagree with them on eschatology, but not on much else.

    Frankly, the culture wars have been lost. You wold have to be delusion not to see that we are living in a modern Sodom and Gomorrah. That is why Rushdoony, whose works you sell, was adamant about building a parallel society. Barring supernatural intervention, today’s American society is totally depraved and beyond reformation.


    • Gary DeMar says:

      Dispensational premillennialism is a very big problem. This does not mean that dispensationalists are enemies.

      American Vision has always been involved in building a parallel society. That’s why we are such big advocates of home schooling and parent-funded Christian education (church or private).

      • Jon LaRosa says:

        First, thanks for responding. Second, I love the site. Third, “big problem”? If secular humanism is the cancer of society, that would make dispensationalism the hangnail. We’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one, but still love the work you guys are doing.

  3. Michael Thompson says:

    Thanks Gary, for your ‘apologetic’ thoughts again. It must be done, as Greg Bahnsen’s, Presuppositional Apologetics advances.
    On another matter you mentioned in the article about “Ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, etc.— This was literally fulfilled at the siege of Jerusalem. Josephus, Wars of the Jews”. As most of scripture is very concise in its portrayal of events etc., I believe this could have a wider application to the secular world than just the event mentioned. The further a people move away from God they become more & more inclined to evil, which in time they will turn on themselves – so in effect, consume themselves as the passage says. They argue & philosophize about matters, but end up destroying their own argument, to their own detriment. Could this perhaps, unfortunately, explain why Frank turned on his father. A mans arguments not based on scripture will use the worlds logic & will be ‘held in derision’

  4. Charles A Godby says:

    We all are guilty of reviews and critiques of other peoples sayings or writtings with critical misgivings. The whole of proper comments is to encourage all to study and adopt God’ Holy Word as the only worthwhile reference for applicaton to their personal lives. Thus, believe and Trust In God for all fulfillment of our ever seeking apitite.
    With God’s Blessings to All

  5. Marc says:

    I am so weary of people that say they know anything about Christ, prophecy, and God’s Kingdom especially when they arrogantly proceed their name with a phd or other exalted sir names. If they were at all spiritual they would know Jesus Himself taught this is hypocracy as did His desciples. Anytime a man puffs himself up to gain credability in mans eyes he has no credablitity in God’s eyes. In fact it is written that this kind of knowledge is earthly, sensuall, and devilish. I am apalled that a conservative place would allow such socialism, liveralism, and condoning of dictatorship to be preached and promoted. I don’t agree with the traditional church but to promote socialism as truth goes strictly against a sovereign God. Sovereignty is the only thing that will remain eternal. All socialism ends in strife, oppression of the people, contentiousness, and degeneration; just ask satan. It is doomed from the start. You still cannot get rid of a man’s free will no matter if you imprison him, torture him, or kill him. He will still believe the same way, that my friend is sovereignty. Socialism is hypocaracy to the utmost. It demands you believe the way it believes and crucifies others for not believing that way. In fact it makes laws against sovereignty and even speaking of it which has been going on at an accelerated pace since this last governmental change. We have become so Godless as a nation we put those who are Godless over us to oppress us even more. This is the first time there has been a president that is fatherless, has no brithright to sit upon the throne of this country, has no real name, has no experience to lead this country, does not beieve in the God of Isreal, has specifically said this is no longer a christian nation, has said we have no need of the constitution anymore, and is pushing the most socialistic agenda since Stalin and Hitler. Anytime this has happened in any government it is because of the moral decay of the christian faith. The constitution of the faith which is what most call the Old Testament has been thrown out and many other compromises have been mixed in its stead. Through this propoganda, decay has crept in and the downfall of nations manifest. We don’t seem to learn from history. This was founded a republic not a socialist democracy. A republic is limited government that is ruled by the people. Democracy is large government ruling the people. There is no true Republic anymore in the earth. We still have a constitution if we will return to it this country will be great again. If not it will not stand. The same with God’s people. If they will get back to the original constitution of the original books now implemented spiritually God will give us the earth as our inheritance as it is written. Get the heart of the man and God will take the land. Those who believe we will be saved by Jesus coming again might wish to ask themselves this question: it is written that He will come back for a bride without spot or wrinkle and this has to do with His feasts. How many christians even know what His feasts are and how many keep them? It does not look like He is coming real soon by this testamony. In fact His house has become a den of every foul spirit as it is written. We won’t even reprove the most foul of sin. If those whom He loves He reproves, instructs, and chastens, then where is His love being shown in the earth? We migh wish to lift up a standard not in judgment but just in simply not being afraid to say, I don’t agree with your lifestyle and don’t have to accept it. You may live the way you wish but don’t shove it on me. I am sovereign you can be enslaved if you wish but leave me out of it. Wake up America. The government can’t give you anything they haven’t stolen from someone else. What they give you, if you take it you give them the right to take something else away from you. If you think socialism is so good, you all pool your money, homes, and everything you own together with Obama and let him redistribute it back to you and see if you like it. Just leave me out of it and let me trust in the sovereignty of God.

  6. American Patriot says:

    It is a citizen’s responsibility to get involved and even more so as a Christian because you have things worth sharing and that need to be shared with others and protected. No one knows the time of the end of this world or our own lives. Actually concern for that is worthless and meaningless in all that is important. Serving to Glorify God every day and doing what you can is important. We battle from generation to generation to remain free men and women, to do what is good for our neighbors and our communities to better this world as much as we can, and we see it going the wrong way citizens need to get involved, rise up, and work to correct that course. What we do to show our faith and proclaim the teachings of the Bible and glory of God’s grace, love and desire for our future needs to be spoken about through actions. That is a Christian perspective. That is a reason and sense of responsibility to save our democratic republic from those who seek to damage it to a socialist statist society like many others in the world with little regard for the dignity of human beings or freedom to speak their mind, pursue opportunities and a better life in this world and the next. This is just some of my immediate thoughts on all of this. I am not a writer or speaker, but like many Americans care about what our founding fathers created and it’s up to us to be that exception in this world of free people and not slaves to others (whether a state or people). All these political pundits on the left are striving to find fault in everyone else for voting out democrats and voting in republicans as if they are smarter and more in the know that the rest of the population. God works through us sometimes some listen better than others.

  7. Stan says:

    Well put, and felt, Sharon. Our job is to (1) awaken to Truth, and (2) honor the Creator, by giving of our best, our highest, in all that we do, as a reflection, into the material dimension, of the Most High, in order to inspire others to attain to their own inner heights.

    As for ‘the end times’: Yes, we’ve been ‘here’ before. Yes, we’ve been wrong before. but I would encourage all to look, and feel, real closely about this one. Because all the pieces are in place for a major end to an era, and a transformation into ‘the new’. The key is to do away with money – let it go, as the set of training wheels it has been (with its concepts of interest-bearing money & fractional-reserve banking) – and utilize technology to help us live more in harmony with our environment; and watch us soar.

    I was a bit amused by the speculation on a neighboring site about who would make a good team for the 2012 election, as if things are going to continue right on as they have up ’til now; business as usual. I kept my counsel; but I wanted to say, ‘Ladies and gentlemen, you need to soar higher in your thinking. There’s a game changer going on. It’s the End of History as it has been known. A new era awaiteth. Dream bigger. Think bigger.’

    There are more things under heaven and earth than are dreamt of in our current philosophy. And: the point of the exercise is not to write it off. But to transform it.

  8. Cedric Klein says:

    When a Christian site I hang out on approvingly linked the Frank Schaeffer column, I had to post this link as a response to Frank~ A scene from that masterpiece of intellectual cinema Adam Sandler’s Billy Madison:


    “What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”

  9. Godfrey Harrison says:

    Folks, I am new at this Christian stuff and am still in the learning process, praying that God will open my mind and heart. Hope I’m not a lost cause:) But, even if “the end is near” , it should be about how we live in the here and now , not just in the life to come. I have to agree with Sharon Buck . the world has always been coming to an end–count that as a generational change as much as any “cataclysmic” state. All I can say is——-May God Bless You All

    • Kerry says:

      Godfrey, welcome to this Christian “stuff”.

      You are not a lost cause, I can assure you of that. We are all still learning, and you are correct that we are to care about how we live in the here and now.
      As regards to the end times, there are plenty of good articles on this site, and comments that discuss eschatology.

      One thing that has helped me in my learning, is to understand that all the NT (New Testament) writers were only correctly explaining (exegeting), and teaching what the OT prophets and writers had prophesied. They did this with the help of Jesus in person while He taught them, and then with the guidance and inspiration of His Spirit. They use the same language, and would have only drawn from the OT language to define the terms and phrases used. There are NO NEW prophecies in the NT, it is only confirming the fulfillment of what had been promised to happen in the OT. You must also remember that people heard these words in the first century, and the warnings would have had an imminent to “them” theme, and the plain language of the text bears this out.

      The Apostle Paul is a prime example of a well educated religious man in the law and prophets, a rabbi, a zealot, who was on a mission to bring believers in Christ to justice because they were considered heretics and blasphemers. It was only after he met Jesus, that he was given the proper understanding of what he had been taught, and he counted all his previous understanding as dung.

      So, no, you are definitely not a lost cause, just look to Paul, formerly known as Saul, he is one of your brothers now. Christ saved him too.

  10. Sharon Buck says:

    Obviously Frankie Shaffer has abandoned the simplest tenets of his faith, like honoring his father. It makes me very sad that, despite eschatological differences, he has used his name to defame a great man who bears the same name.
    I am one of those who both believes an end IS coming, and that we need to live in the present. God never tells us when the end is coming – only that we need to be alert and watchful of the signs of the times. And since we are here, we need to live to His glory, which means being as Christlike as possible in every arena. Politics is no exception. If my grandchildren have a future to look forward to, I want it to be a good one, not dismal and desperate. So, if Jesus comes soon, hallelujah! If He does not, I will be doing everything I can to make my world a better place.

  11. Kerry says:

    This sums up what the “left behind” mindset has done. No salt, no light, no real victory for those in need, and allowing skeptics to question the accuracy of the words of Jesus and His apostles because of continued failed date setting.

    Proverbs 29:18 Where there is no prophetic vision the people cast off restraint, but blessed is he who keeps the law.
    19 By mere words a servant is not disciplined, for though he understands, he will not respond. (ESV)

  12. rollin says:

    It seems to me that if Christians had given up on this world while awaiting the next, fewer of them would have voted during the elections and Republicans/conservatives would have done poorer, not better.

    • Marc says:

      You are not only right but this is the ploy of all socialists. They twist facts and call that which is good- bad and that which is bad- good. The conservatives came out by the masses and if more were uncompromised there would have been a complete overthrow of all those who won by a narrow margin. There would not be a house divided against itself. The problem is there is little difference between the republicrats and the demacratic socialist party. One must begin to vote anything but the two party system to change this order. Although I was extatic about Rand Paul overcoming the odds. This man that wrote this artical is the apitomy of what the sociaist mentality is. They take no facts and out of thin air create vain questions to create strife amongst the people; then they state irrational thinking as fact and accuse all those that oppose them of being irrational. That is like the pot calling the kettle black isn’t it. There are over six hundred prophecies in the bible that have come to pass already and this man says there is no foundation? Questions the credablility of the word that has been proven that many times? I wonder if any of this man’s doctrines have stood the test of time. In fact every man that has thought the way he thinks has been proven a liar at least six hundred times. History doesn’t lie. To lump all conservatives in with one or two incidences of malicious acts is most hypocritical and should be scrutinized by comparing the ideals of socialism to godliness. Socialism has hundreds of millions slaughtered in every setting in of that regime. Apples to apples? Who promotes the most violence? You choose and compare. Communmist China – millions slaughtered, Russia- hundreds of thousands in the name of socialism, Germany – well you all know that one as the author pointed out there is a shrine dedicated to those who were murdered by socialists, Islam countries there is still a slaughter of those who believe in sovereignty, should I continue? This is the scheme of satan to point out one random act of violence to justify its killing of hundreds of millions. Socialism is totally and completely irrational and irresponseble.

  13. Few, if any players in the end game realize their part. I am positive, as we all go through our daily tasks and lives, that we have a very active part in God’s plan: be in large or small. The beast, may not even know he is “the beast” as he acts the way he wants to during his formative days.

    It is up to all Christians to behave as we are the children of a saving Christ, and not live out our lives without that thought and purpose in mind.

  14. Robin says:

    He does come off as a spoiled child. I have thought so for some time. I enjoy some of Francis Schaeffer’s work, but I don’t think his son is honoring his father’s memory by catering to the very people who would squash religion if they thought they could get away with it.

  15. Gary L. Saunders says:

    Challenge John MacArthur to debate, Gary…or better yet, get Lary King to invite both of you to his show.at the same time.

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