What Does Peter Mean by the Passing Away of Heaven and Earth? A Study of 2 Peter 3

By Gary DeMar and David Chilton

If there’s one passage of Scripture that is repeatedly brought up as an indictment against anyone who objects to modern-day prophetic speculation, it is 2 Peter 3:3–18. If you dispute with those who argue that all the signs around us indicate that we are living in the “last days,” then you are labeled a “scoffer” or a “mocker” (2 Peter 3:3). If this is true, then how should we describe those who argued that proposed signs during the two world wars were not signs of the end? They were right! Were they “scoffers”? The same could be asked about those who rejected the claim that events surrounding the French Revolution in the 18th century were sure signs of a prophetic end of all things. Every generation has had those who claimed the end was near and those who argued that the end was not near. Appealing to contemporary signs to make predictions of a near end has a long history as Francis Gumerlock demonstrates in his book The Day and the Hour. One would think that by now Christians would stop doing it. But they don’t. They know revving people up over the “last days” sells books, lots of books.

The people Peter accuses of being “scoffers” were enemies of Jesus and the gospel. They scoffed at the claims made by Jesus that the temple would be destroyed and Jesus Himself would be the one to make it happen before their generation passed away. Since more than 30 years had passed since Jesus made this prediction, and the temple was still standing with no indication that it would be destroyed in less than a decade, they began to mock the words of Jesus. There’s a big difference between a “scoffer” who rejects biblical revelation, in this case, Jesus’ words, and someone who argues for an alternative position using sound biblical arguments. A person who disagrees with modern-day prophetic speculation is not a “scoffer,” especially when there have been so many failed attempts at predicting the certainty of the end over the years. One could just as easily make the case that modern-day prophetic speculators (you know who they are) are “scoffers” and “mockers” because they twist and distort Jesus’ clear words that He would return in judgment before that first-century generation passed away (Matt. 24:34). They try to argue that the Greek word genea, best translated as “generation,” can be translated as “race” or “nation.” When that doesn’t work, some argue that “this generation” (what’s present), should be translated “that generation” (what’s future). When Jesus’ clear words don’t suit their prophetic paradigm, words are removed and new words added. “This generation” becomes, “the generation that sees these signs,” as if Jesus was addressing a generation other than the one to whom He was speaking. Jesus made it clear that His present audience (“you”) would “see all these things” (Matt. 24:33).

Second Peter 3 links “scoffers” (v. 3 in KJV; “mockers” in NASV) with “the last days” (v. 3), “the promise of His coming” (v. 4), the “day of the Lord” (v. 10), and the passing away of the “heavens” and the “earth” (v. 10). The “last days,” in Peter’s use of the phrase, is not code for events leading up to either the “rapture” or the second coming. Gordon Clark comments:

“The last days,” which so many people think refers to what is sill future at the end of this age, clearly means the time of Peter himself. I John 2:18 says it is, in his day, the last hour. Acts 2:17 quoted Joel as predicting the last days as the lifetime of Peter. . . . Peter obviously means his own time.[1]

There are other passages like Hebrews 1:1–2 (notice the use of the plural near demonstrative “these”), Hebrews 9:26 (notice the use of “now”), 1 Corinthians 10:11 (“upon whom the ends of the ages have come”), and James 5:3 (the storing up of their treasure was in “the last days”). The question is: The last days of what? The last days of the old covenant with its stone temple, blood sacrifices, and earthly sinful priesthood.

Given that most Christians who make the “scoffer” charge are premillennial, that is, they believe that after a future seven-year period of great tribulation, a thousand year reign of Jesus on the earth will immediately follow. It’s only after this 1007-year period that the events described in 2 Peter 3 are said to be fulfilled. The “new heaven and a new earth” comes into existence after “the first heaven and the first earth passed away” (Rev. 21:1). These events follow the thousand year period of Revelation 20. Given premillennial assumptions (which I believe are wrong), it is biblical to argue that the events described by Peter cannot be near. How can a person be a “scoffer” or a “mocker” of near events when the supposed dissolution of the cosmos is more than a millennium away? It doesn’t make any sense. The charge only makes sense if the described events are actually near, near to Peter’s generation. Those in Peter’s audience were looking “for these things” (2 Peter 3:3). How could they be looking for “these things” if they were at least 1007 years in their future? In fact, once Jesus sets foot on planet earth again, according to premillennialism, it will be quite easy to calculate when the events of 2 Peter 3 will take place—exactly a thousand years later. To silence a “scoffer,” all a person has to say is, “Look, God promised that these events won’t happen for a thousand years.” This means that for the premillennialist, the events revealed and described by Peter can’t have anything to do with our time. They are still far in the future. This means that this section of Scripture can’t be used to club those who reject the notion that we are living in the last days. Peter specifically says, once again following the premillennial paradigm, the last days are at this moment in time at least 1007 years in the future. So, if the “last days” refer to the period just before the dissolution of the cosmos that is at least 1007 years in our future, then we can’t be living in the “last days” and there are no signs that can be called in evidence to support the claim that a new physical heaven and earth are on the prophetic horizon.

The language of 2 Peter 3 is certainly apocalyptic and world ending, but is Peter describing the end of the space time universe as we generally conceive it or is he describing the end of a different type of world? The only way to know is to study similar language found in the Old Testament. In Micah 1:1, a prophetic word was revealed “to Micah of Moresheth in the days of Jotham, Ahaz and Hezekiah, kings of Judah, which he saw concerning Samaria and Jerusalem.” Micah’s prophecy isn’t about a time in the distant future. Rather, it’s about “the rebellion of Jacob and for the sins of the house of Israel” because of “the high place of Judah” (1:5). The prophecy is about a time when idol worship dominated the nation (1:6–7). Notice how the imminent judgment is described:

Hear, O peoples, all of you; Listen, O earth and all it contains,

And let the Lord GOD be a witness against you,

The Lord from His holy temple.

For behold, the Lord is coming forth from His place.

He will come down and tread on the high places of the earth.

The mountains will melt under Him

And the valleys will be split,

Like wax before the fire,

Like water poured down a steep place.

God is calling the world as a witness against His covenant people who had the law against idols and graven images given to them in a personal way, in commandments written on stone (Rev. 20). God is described coming down that has the effect of melting the mountains, splitting the valleys, and flooding the land with the melted debris. This language is used elsewhere to describe similar local events (Judges 5:4; 2 Sam. 22; Ps. 18:7–10; 68:8; Isa. 64:1–2). It’s the language of decreation. Did the mountains melt? No more than the “foundations of the world were laid bare” (Psalm 18:15) when David battled “all his enemies” (see the Prologue to the Psalm).

We find something similar in the book of Zephaniah. A local judgment that has national consequences for Judah and Jerusalem (1:4) is described in a way that depicts the end of the earth and every living thing on it:

“I will completely remove all things

From the face of the earth,” declares the Lord.

“I will remove man and beast;

I will remove the birds of the sky

And the fish of the sea,

And the ruins along with the wicked;

And I will cut off man from the face of the earth,” declares the Lord (Zeph. 1:2–3).

This local judgment is a reversal of creation. Later in the chapter we read, “Near is the great day of the Lord, near and coming very quickly. . . . And all the earth will be devoured in the fire of His jealousy, for He will make a complete end, indeed a terrifying one, of all the inhabitants of the earth” (1:14, 18). Notice the use of “fire,” “a complete end,” including the end of the earth. Peter uses the same language. He writes from the vantage point of his day that “the end of all things is at hand” (1 Peter. 4:7; cf. “in these last times”: 1:20). Like in Zephaniah, this prophetic description can hardly be a declaration that the end of the physical universe was about to take place. The Bible’s use of “at hand” (near) indicates that whatever this end is, it was near for Peter and his first-century audience. Jay E. Adams offers a helpful commentary on the passage, taking into account its historical and theological context:

[First] Peter was written before A.D. 70 (when the destruction of Jerusalem took place)…. The persecution (and martyrdom) that these (largely) Jewish Christians had been experiencing up until now stemmed principally from unconverted Jews (indeed, his readers had found refuge among Gentiles as resident aliens)…. [H]e refers to the severe trials that came upon Christians who had fled Palestine under attack from their unconverted fellow Jews. The end of all things (that had brought this exile about) was near.

In six or seven years from the time of writing, the overthrow of Jerusalem, with all its tragic stories, as foretold in the Book of Revelation and in the Olivet Discourse upon which that part is based, would take place. Titus and Vespasian would wipe out the old order once and for all. All those forces that led to the persecution and exile of these Christians in Asia Minor—the temple ceremonies (outdated by Christ’s death), Pharisaism (with its distortion of O.T. law into a system of works-righteousness) and the political stance of Palestinian Jewry toward Rome—would be erased. The Roman armies would wipe Jewish opposition from the face of the land. Those who survived the holocaust of A.D. 70 would themselves be dispersed around the Mediterranean world. “So,” says Peter, “hold on; the end is near.” The full end of the O.T. order (already made defunct by the cross and the empty tomb) was about to occur.[2]

What “promise of His coming” (2 Peter 3:4) does Peter have in mind? Peter was present when Jesus told him and some of the other apostles, “there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.” (Matt. 16:27–28). This event had to be in the lifetime of Jesus’ audience. In similar fashion, Jesus told His disciples that He would return in judgment before “this generation” passed away (24:34). Jesus always uses “this generation” to refer to His contemporaries (Matt. 11:16; 12:41, 42; 23:36; Mark 8:12; 13:30; Luke 7:31; 11:29, 30, 31, 32, 50, 51; 17:25; 21:32). He never uses “this generation” to refer to a future generation. The parousia (“coming”/“presence”) is a time of divine judgment (Matt. 24:27) upon the old covenant world. Peter was present when Jesus told him that He would return in judgment within a generation (Mark 13:3, 30). In the next verse, Jesus tells Peter and those who are with him that “heaven and earth will pass away” (13:31; Matt. 24:35). The burning up of “heaven and earth” is a reference to the end of the old covenant economy. As Jews who were familiar with the Old Testament, they would not have understood Jesus’ words in any other way. Between Matthew 16:27–28 and 24:34, Jesus tells His disciples that Jerusalem will be burned with fire (22:7). With that burning, everything associated with the old economy went with it. Peter Leithart puts the chapter in context for us: “But wherever would the mockers have gotten the idea that Jesus was coming before the ‘fathers” died? Why, lo and behold, Jesus said exactly that. The whole debate presupposes that Jesus promised to come soon. Without that premise, neither the mockers’ mockery nor Peter’s letter makes any sense. Peter and his opponents differ on the crucial question of the promise’s reliability, but they agree on its content.”[3] The “fathers” (2 Peter 3:4) are the true early church fathers, those who died since Jesus promised that they would come before their generation passed away (Matt. 24:34; see 24:9; John 16:2; Acts 7:54–60; 12:2).

There’s much more that can be said about 2 Peter 3. The following section was written by the late David Chilton (1951–1997). David left behind a large body of work on eschatology: a verse-by-verse commentary on the book of Revelation (The Days of Vengeance), a work on prophetic interpretive principles (Paradise Restored), and an exposition of the Olivet Discourse (The Great Tribulation).

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According to St. Peter’s second epistle, Christ and the apostles had warned that apostasy would accelerate toward the end of the “last days” (2 Pet. 3:2–4; cf. Jude 17–19)—the forty-year period between Christ’s ascension and the destruction of the Old Covenant Temple in A.D. 70.[4] He makes it clear that these latter-day “mockers” were Covenant apostates: familiar with Old Testament history and prophecy, they were Jews who had abandoned the Abrahamic Covenant by rejecting Christ. As Jesus had repeatedly warned (cf. Matt. 12:38–45; 16:1–4; 23:29–39), upon this evil and perverse generation would come the great “Day of Judgment” foretold in the prophets, a “destruction of ungodly men” like that suffered by the wicked of Noah’s day (2 Pet. 3:5–7). Throughout His ministry Jesus drew this analogy (see Matt. 24:37–39 and Luke 17:26–27). Just as God destroyed the “world” of the antediluvian era by the Flood, so would the “world” of first-century Israel be destroyed by fire in the fall of Jerusalem.

St. Peter describes this judgment as the destruction of “the present heavens and earth” (2 Pet. 3:7), making way for “new heavens and a new earth” (2 Pet. 3:10). Because of what may be called the “collapsing-universe” terminology used in this passage, many have mistakenly assumed that St. Peter is speaking of the final end of the physical heaven and earth, rather than the dissolution of the Old Covenant world order. The great seventeenth-century Puritan theologian John Owen answered this view by referring to the Bible’s very characteristic metaphorical usage of the terms heavens and earth, as in Isaiah’s description of the Mosaic Covenant:

For I am the LORD your God, who stirs up the sea and its waves roar (the LORD of hosts is His name). I have put My words in your mouth and have covered you with the shadow of My hand, to establish the heavens, to found the earth, and to say to Zion, “You are My people” (Isa. 51:15–16).

Owen writes:

The time when the work here mentioned, of planting the heavens, and laying the foundation of the earth, was performed by God, was when he “divided the sea” ([Isa. 51] v.15), and gave the law (v. 16), and said to Zion, “Thou art my people”—that is, when he took the children of Israel out of Egypt, and formed them in the wilderness into a congregation of believers and a civil state. Then he planted the heavens, and laid the foundation of the earth—made the new world; that is, brought forth order, and government, and beauty, from the confusion wherein before they were. This is the planting of the heavens, and laying the foundation of the earth in the world. And hence it is that when mention is made of the destruction of a state and its government, it is in that language that seems to set forth the end of the world. So Isaiah 34 which is the destruction of the state of Edom. The like is also affirmed of the Roman Empire (Rev. 6:14) which the Jews constantly affirm to be intended by Edom in the prophets. And in our Saviour Christ’s prediction of the destruction of Jerusalem, Matthew 24, he sets it out by expressions of the same importance. It is evident then, that, in the prophetical idiom and manner of speech, by “heavens” and “earth,” the civil and religious state and combination of men in the world, and the men of them, are often understood. So were the heavens and earth that world which was then destroyed by the flood.[5]

Another Old Testament text, among many that could be mentioned, is Jeremiah 4:23–31, which speaks of the imminent fall of Jerusalem (587 B.C.) in similar language of decreation:

I looked on the earth, and behold, it was formless and void; and to the heavens, and they had no light. . . . For thus says the LORD, the whole land shall be a desolation [referring to the curse of Lev. 26:31–33; see its fulfillment in Matt. 24:15!], yet I will not execute a complete destruction. For this the earth shall mourn, and the heavens above be dark. . . .

From the very beginning, God’s covenant with Israel had been expressed in terms of a new creation: Moses described Israel’s salvation in the wilderness in terms of the Spirit of God hovering over a waste, just as in the original creation of heaven and earth (Deut. 32:10–11; cf. Gen. 1:2).[6] In the Exodus, as at the original creation, God divided light and darkness (Ex. 14:20), divided the waters from the waters to bring forth the dry land (14:21–22), and planted His people in His holy mountain (15:17). God’s miraculous formation of Israel was thus an image of Creation, a redemptive recapitulation of the making of heaven and earth. The Old Covenant order, in which the entire world was organized around the central sanctuary of the Jerusalem Temple, could quite appropriately be described, before its final dissolution, as “the present heavens and earth.”

The 19th-century expositor John Brown wrote: “A person at all familiar with the phraseology of the Old Testament scriptures knows that the dissolution of the Mosaic economy, and the establishment of the Christian, is often spoken of as the removing of the old earth and heavens, and the creation of a new earth and heavens. . . . The period of the close of the one dispensation, and the commencement of the other, is spoken of as `the last days’ and `the end of the world’; and is described as such a shaking of the earth and heavens, as should lead to the removal of the things which were shaken (Hag. 2:6; Heb. 12:26–27).”[7]

Therefore, says Owen, “On this foundation I affirm that the heavens and earth here intended in this prophecy of Peter, the coming of the Lord, the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men, mentioned in the destruction of that heaven and earth, do all of them relate, not to the last and final judgment of the world, but to that utter desolation and destruction that was to be made of the Judaical church and state”—i.e., the Fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70.[8]

This interpretation is confirmed by St. Peter’s further information: In this imminent “Day of the Lord” which was about to come upon the first-century world “like a thief” (cf. Matt. 24:42–43; 1 Thess. 5:2; Rev. 3:3), “the elements will be destroyed with intense heat” (2 Peter 3:10; cf. v. 12). What are these elements? So-called “literalists” lightly and carelessly assume that the apostle is speaking about physics, using the term to mean atoms (or perhaps subatomic particles), the actual physical components of the universe. What these “literalists” fail to recognize is that although the word elements (stoicheia) is used several times in the New Testament, it is never used in connection with the physical universe! (In this respect, the very misleading comments of the New Geneva Study Bible on this passage violate its own interpretive dictum that “Scripture interprets Scripture.” For possible meanings of this term, it cites pagan Greek philosophers and astrologers—but never the Bible’s own use of the term!) Kittel’s Theological Dictionary of New Testament Words observes that while in pagan literature the word is used in a number of different ways (referring to the “four elements” of the physical world, or to the “notes” on a musical scale, or to the “principles” of geometry or logic), the New Testament writers use the term “in a new way, describing the stoicheia as weak and beggarly. In a transferred sense, the stoicheia are the things on which pre-Christian existence rests, especially in pre-Christian religion. These things are impotent; they bring bondage instead of freedom.”[9] Throughout the New Testament, the word “elements” (stoicheia) is always used in connection with the Old Covenant order. St. Paul used the term in his stinging rebuke to the Galatian Christians who were tempted to forsake the freedom of the New Covenant for an Old Covenant-style legalism. Describing Old Covenant rituals and ceremonies, he says “we were in bondage under the elements (stoicheia) of this world. . . . How is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements (stoicheia), to which you desire again to be in bondage? You observe days and months and seasons and years. . . .” (Gal. 4:3, 9–10). He warns the Colossians: “Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the basic principles (stoicheia) of the world, and not according to Christ. . . . Therefore, if you died with Christ to the basic principles (stoicheia) of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations—‘Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle’” (Col. 2:8, 20–21). The writer to the Hebrews chided them: “For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you have need again for someone to teach you the elements (stoicheia) of the oracles of God, and you have come to need milk and not solid food” (Heb. 5:12). In context, the writer to the Hebrews is clearly speaking of Old Covenant [elements that the book of Hebrews argues have passed away]—particularly since he connects it with the term oracles of God, an expression used elsewhere in the New Testament for the provisional, Old Covenant revelation (see Acts 7:38; Rom. 3:2). These citations from Galatians, Colossians, and Hebrews comprise all the other occurrences in the New Testament of that word “elements” (stoicheia). Not one refers to the “elements” of the physical world or universe; all are speaking of the “elements” of the Old Covenant system, which, as the apostles wrote just before the approaching destruction of the Old Covenant Temple in A. D. 70, was “becoming obsolete and growing old” and “ready to vanish away” (Heb. 8:13). And St. Peter uses the same term in exactly the same way. Throughout the Greek New Testament, the word “elements” (stoicheia) always means [covenantal elements], not [physical elements]; the foundational “elements” of a religious system that was doomed to pass away in a fiery judgment [Matt. 22:7].

In fact, St. Peter was quite specific about the fact that he was not referring to an event thousands of years in their future, but to something that was already taking place:

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements (stoicheia) will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. Therefore, since all these things are being dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements (stoicheia) are being melted with fervent heat? (2 Pet. 3:10–12)

Contrary to the misleading renderings of translators blinded by their presuppositions, St. Peter insists that the dissolution of “the present heaven and earth”—the Old Covenant system with its obligatory rituals and bloody sacrifices—was already beginning to occur: the “universe” of the Old Covenant was coming apart, never to be revived:

When did prophet and vision cease from Israel? Was it not when Christ came, the Holy one of holies? It is, in fact, a sign and notable proof of the coming of the Word that Jerusalem no longer stands, neither is prophet raised up, nor vision revealed among them. And it is natural that it should be so, for when He that was signified had come, what need was there any longer of any to signify Him? And when the Truth had come, what further need was there of the shadow? . . . And the kingdom of Jerusalem ceased at the same time, kings were to be anointed among them only until the Holy of holies had been anointed.[10]

St. Peter’s message, John Owen argues, is that “the heavens and earth that God himself planted—the sun, moon, and stars of the judaical polity and church—the whole old world of worship and worshippers, that stand out in their obstinacy against the Lord Christ—shall be sensibly dissolved and destroyed.”[11]

As we have seen, Puritan theologian John Owen, the author of the seven-volume commentary on the book of Hebrews, argued that the teaching of 2 Peter 3 about the coming “Day of the Lord” was not about the end of the physical universe, but of the Old Covenant and the nation of Israel. He points out that the phrase “heavens and earth” is often used in the Old Testament as a symbolic expression for God’s covenantal creation, Israel (see Isa. 51:15–20; Jer. 4:23–31). Owen writes: “the heavens and earth that God himself planted—the sun, moon, and stars of the judaical polity and church—the whole old world of worship and worshippers, that stand out in their obstinacy against the Lord Christ—shall be sensibly dissolved and destroyed.”[12]

Owen offers two further reasons (“of many that might be insisted on from the text,” he says) for adopting the A.D. 70 fulfillment of 2 Peter 3. First, he observes, “whatever is here mentioned was to have its particular influence on the men of that generation.”[13] That is a crucial point, which must be clearly recognized in any honest assessment of the apostle’s meaning. St. Peter is especially concerned that his first-century readers remember the apostolic warnings about “the last days” (vv. 2–3; cf. 1 Tim. 4:1–6; 2 Tim. 3:1–9). During these times, the Jewish scoffers of his day, clearly familiar with the Biblical prophecies of judgment, were refusing to heed those warnings (vv. 3–5). He exhorts his readers to live holy lives in the light of this imminent judgment (vv. 11, 14); and it is these early Christians who are repeatedly mentioned as actively “looking for and hastening” the judgment (vv. 12, 13, 14). It is precisely the nearness of the approaching conflagration that St. Peter cites as a motive to diligence in godly living!

An obvious objection to such an exposition is to refer to what is probably the most well-known, most-misunderstood text in St. Peter’s brief epistle: “But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day” (2 Pet. 3:8). This means, it is said, that “God’s arithmetic is different from ours,” so that when Scripture uses terms like “near” and “shortly” (e.g., Rev. 1:1, 3) or “at hand” (e.g., James 5:5–7), it doesn’t intend to give the impression of soon-approaching events, but of events possibly thousands of years in the future! Milton Terry refuted this seemingly plausible but spurious theory:

The language is a poetical citation from Psalm 90:4, and is adduced to show that the lapse of time does not invalidate the promises of God. . . . But this is very different from saying that when the everlasting God promises something shortly, and declares that it is close at hand, He may mean that it is a thousand years in the future. Whatever He has promised indefinitely He may take a thousand years or more to fulfill; but what He affirms to be at the door let no man declare to be far away.[14]

J. Stuart Russell wrote with biting disdain:

Few passages have suffered more from misconstruction than this, which has been made to speak a language inconsistent with its obvious intention, and even incompatible with a strict regard to veracity.

There is probably an allusion here to the words of the Psalmist, in which he contrasts the brevity of human life with the eternity of the divine existence. . . . But surely it would be the height of absurdity to regard this sublime poetic image as a calculus for the divine measurement of time, or as giving us a warrant for wholly disregarding definitions of time in the predictions and promises of God.

Yet it is not unusual to quote these words as an argument or excuse for the total disregard for the element of time in the prophetic writings. Even in cases where a certain time is specified in the prediction, or where such limitations as ‘shortly,’ or ‘speedily,’ or ‘at hand’ are expressed, the passage before us is appealed to in justification of an arbitrary treatment of such notes of time, so that soon may mean late, and near may mean distant, and short may mean long, and vice versa. . . .

It is surely unnecessary to repudiate in the strongest manner such a non-natural method of interpreting the language of Scripture. It is worse than ungrammatical and unreasonable, it is immoral. It is to suggest that God has two weights and measures in His dealings with men, and that in His mode of reckoning there is an ambiguity and variableness which will make it impossible to tell ‘What manner of time the Spirit of Christ in the prophets may signify’[cf. 1 Pet. 1:11]…

The Scriptures themselves, however, give no countenance to such a method of interpretation. Faithfulness is one of the attributes most frequently ascribed to the ‘covenant-keeping God,’ and the divine faithfulness is that which the apostle in this very passage affirms. . . . The apostle does not say that when the Lord promises a thing for today He may not fulfill His promise for a thousand years: that would be slackness; that would be a breach of promise. He does not say that because God is infinite and everlasting, therefore He reckons with a different arithmetic from ours, or speaks to us in a double sense, or uses two different weights and measures in His dealings with mankind. The very reverse is the truth. . . .

It is evident that the object of the apostle in this passage is to give his readers the strongest assurance that the impending catastrophe of the last days were on the very eve of fulfillment. The veracity and faithfulness of God were the guarantees of the punctual performance of the promise. To have intimated that time was a variable quantity in the promise of God would have been to stultify and neutralize his own teaching, which was that ‘the Lord is not slack concerning His promise.’[15]

Continuing his analysis, John Owen cites 2 Peter 3:13: “But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.” Owen asks: “What is that promise? Where may we find it?” Good question. Do you know the answer? Where in the Old Testament does God promise a New Heaven and Earth? Incidentally, this raises a wider, fascinating issue: When the New Testament quotes or cites an Old Testament text, it’s often a good idea to hunt down the original citation, see what it meant in its original context, and then see the “spin” the New Testament writer places on it. (For example, Isaiah’s prophecy of a gigantic highway-construction project [Isa. 40:3–5] is not interpreted literally in the New Testament, but metaphorically, of the preaching ministry of John the Baptist [Luke 3:4–6]. And Isaiah’s prophecy of a “golden age” when the wolf dwells peaceably with the lamb [Isa. 11:1–10] is condensed and cited by St. Paul as a present fulfillment, in the New Covenant age [Rom. 15:12])! But John Owen, this Puritan scholar, knows his Bible better than most of the rest of us, and he tells us exactly where the Old Testament foretells a “new heaven and earth”:

What is that promise? Where may we find it? Why, we have it in the very words and letter, Isaiah 65:17. Now, when shall this be that God will create these “new heavens and new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness”? Saith Peter, It shall be after the coming of the Lord, after that judgment and destruction of ungodly men, who obey not the gospel, that I foretell. But now it is evident, from this place of Isaiah, with chapter 66:21–22, that this is a prophecy of gospel times only; and that the planting of these new heavens is nothing but the creation of gospel ordinances, to endure forever. The same thing is so expressed in Hebrews 12:26–28.[16]

Owen is right on target, asking the question that so many expositors fail to ask: Where had God promised to bring “new heavens and a new earth”? The answer, as Owen correctly states, is only in Isaiah 65 and 66—passages which clearly prophesy the period of the Gospel, brought in by the work of Christ. According to Isaiah himself, this “New Creation” cannot possibly be the eternal state, since it contains birth and death, building and planting (65:20–23). The “new heavens and earth” promised to the Church comprise the age of the New Covenant—the Gospel’s triumph, when all mankind will come to bow down before the Lord (66:22–23). John Bray writes: “This passage is a grand description of the gospel age after Christ came in judgment in 70 A.D. and took away the old heavens and the old earth. We now have the new heavens and the new earth of the gospel age.”[17] St. Peter’s encouragement to the Church of his day was to be patient, to wait for God’s judgment to destroy those who were persecuting the faith and impeding its progress. “The end of all things is at hand,” he had written earlier (1 Pet. 4:7). John Brown commented:

“The end of all things” here is the entire end of the Jewish economy in the destruction of the temple and city of Jerusalem, and the dispersal of the holy people. That was at hand; for this epistle seems to have been written a very short while before these events took place. . . . It is quite plain that in our Lord’s predictions, the expressions “the end” and probably “the end of the world” are used in reference to the entire dissolution of the Jewish economy (cf. Matt. 24:3, 6, 14, 34; Rom. 13:11–12; James 5:8–9).[18]

Once the Lord came to destroy the scaffolding of the Old Covenant structure, the New Covenant Temple would be left in its place, and the victorious march of the Church would be unstoppable. According to God’s predestined design, the world will be converted; the earth’s treasures will be brought into the City of God, as the Paradise Mandate (Gen. 1:27–28; Matt. 28:18–20) is consummated (Rev. 21:1–27).

This is why the apostles constantly affirmed that the age of consummation had already been implemented by the resurrection and ascension of Christ, who poured out the Holy Spirit. St. Paul, writing of the redeemed individual, says that “if any man is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new” (2 Cor. 5:17). St. John, recording his vision of the redeemed culture, says the same thing: “And I saw a new heaven and a new earth. . . . The first things have passed away. . . . Behold, I am making all things new” (Rev. 21:1–5). The writer to the Hebrews comforts his first-century readers with the assurance that they have already arrived at “the City of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem” (Heb. 12:22; cf. Gal. 26–28; Rev. 21). Even as the old “heaven and earth” were being shaken to rubble, the early Christians were “receiving a Kingdom which cannot be shaken,” the eternal Kingdom of God brought in by His Son (Heb. 12:26–28). Milton Terry has written:

The language of 2 Pet. 3:10–12 is taken mainly from Isa. 34:4, and is limited to the parousia, like the language of Matt. 24:29. Then the Lord made “not only the land but also the heaven” to tremble (Heb. 12:26), and removed the things that were shaken in order to establish a kingdom which cannot be moved.[19]

It is crucial to note that the apostle continually points his readers’ attention, not to events that were to take place thousands of years in the future, but to events that were already beginning to take place. Otherwise, his closing words make no sense at all: “Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless. . . . You, therefore, beloved, since you know these things beforehand, beware lest you fall from your own steadfastness. . .” (2 Pet. 3:14–17). If these things refer to a 21st-century thermonuclear holocaust, why would the inspired apostle direct such a serious exhortation against “falling from steadfastness” to thousands of readers who would never live to see the things he foretold? A cardinal rule of Biblical interpretation is that Scripture must interpret Scripture; and, particularly, that the New Testament is God’s own inspired commentary on the meaning of the Old Testament.

Once the old had been swept away, St. Peter declared, the Age of Christ would be fully established, an era “in which righteousness dwells” (2 Pet. 3:13). The distinguishing characteristic of the new era, in stark contrast to what preceded it, would be righteousness—increasing righteousness, as the Gospel would be set free in its mission to the nations. There have been many battles throughout Church history, of course, and many battles lie ahead. But these must not blind us to the very real progress that the Gospel has made and continues to make in the world. The New World Order of the Lord Jesus Christ has arrived; and, according to God’s promise, the saving knowledge of Him will fill the earth, as the waters cover the sea (Isa. 11:9).

Endnotes:
  1. Gordon H. Clark, II Peter: A Short Commentary (Nutley, NJ: Presbyterian and Reformed, 1975), 64. []
  2. Jay E. Adams, Trust and Obey: A Practical Commentary on First Peter (Phillipsburg, NJ: Presbyterian and Reformed, 1978), 129–130. Adam Clarke (1762–1832) writes the following in his commentary on 1 Peter 4:7: “Peter says, The end of all things is at hand; and this he spoke when God had determined to destroy the Jewish people and their polity by one of the most signal judgments that ever fell upon any nation or people. In a very few years after St. Peter wrote this epistle, even taking it at the lowest computation, viz., A. D. 60 or 61, Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans. To this destruction, which was literally then at hand, the apostle alludes when he says, The end of all things is at hand; the end of the temple, the end of the Levitical priesthood, the end of the whole Jewish economy, was then at hand.” (Clarke’s Commentary on The New Testament of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, 2 vols. [New York: Carlton & Porter, 1810], 2:864). []
  3. Peter J. Leithart, The Promise of His Appearing: An Exposition of Second Peter (Moscow, ID: Canon Press, 2004), 83. []
  4. For a defense of this position, see David Chilton, Paradise Restored: A Biblical Theology of Dominion, 2nd ed. (Horn Lake, MS: TX: Dominion Press, [1985] 2007), 112–122. The fact is that every time Scripture uses the term “last days” (and similar expressions) it means, not the end of the physical universe, but the period from A.D. 30 to A.D. 70—the period during which the Apostles were preaching and writing, the “last days” of Old Covenant Israel before it was forever destroyed in the destruction of the Temple (and consequently the annihilation of the Old Covenant sacrificial system) described by Jesus in the Olivet Discourse (Matt. 24:1–34; Acts 2:16–21; 1 Tim. 4:1–3; 2 Tim. 3:1–9; Hebrews 1:1–2; 8:13; 9:26; James 5:7–9; 1 Peter 1:20; 4:7; 1 John 2:18; Jude 17–19). See also John Bray’s excellent booklet Are We Living in the Last Days? (Lakeland, FL: John L. Bray Ministry) and Gary DeMar, Last Days Madness: Obsession of the Modern Church, 4th ed. (Powder Springs, GA: American Vision 1999). []
  5. John Owen, “Providential Changes: An Argument for Universal Holiness,” in William H. Goold, ed., The Works of John Owen, 16 vols. (London: The Banner of Truth Trust, 1965–68), 9:134. []
  6. See Chilton, Paradise Restored, 59. []
  7. John Brown, Discourses and Sayings of Our Lord, 3 vols. (Edinburgh: The Banner of Truth Trust, [1852] 1990), 1:171f. []
  8. Owen, “Providential Changes: An Argument for Universal Holiness,” 9:134. []
  9. Gerhard Kittel and Gerhard Friedrich, eds., Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, one-volume edition edited by Geoffrey W. Bromiley (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1985), 1088. []
  10. St. Athanasius, On the Incarnation of the Word of God (New York: Macmillan, 1946), [40] 61f. []
  11. Owen, “Providential Changes: An Argument for Universal Holiness,” 9:135. []
  12. Owen, “Providential Changes: An Argument for Universal Holiness,” 9:135. []
  13. Owen, “Providential Changes: An Argument for Universal Holiness,” 9:134. []
  14. Milton S. Terry, Biblical Hermeneutics: A Treatise on the Interpretation of the Old and New Testaments (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1974), 406. []
  15. J. Stuart Russell, The Parousia (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books, [1887] 1983), 321ff. Owen, “Providential Changes: An Argument for Universal Holiness,” 134–35. []
  16. Owen, “Providential Changes: An Argument for Universal Holiness,” 9:134f. []
  17. John L. Bray, Heaven and Earth Shall Pass Away (Lakeland, FL: John L. Bray Ministry), 26. []
  18. Quoted in Roderick Campbell, Israel and the New Covenant (Philadelphia, PA: Presbyterian and Reformed, [1954] 2010), 107. []
  19. Terry, Biblical Hermeneutics, 489. []

Article by Gary DeMar

Gary is a graduate of Western Michigan University (1973) and earned his M.Div. at Reformed Theological Seminary in 1979. Author of countless essays, news articles, and more than 27 book titles, he also hosts The Gary DeMar Show, and History Unwrapped—both broadcasted and podcasted. Gary has lived in the Atlanta area since 1979 with his wife, Carol. They have two married sons and are enjoying being grandparents to their grandsons, Calvin and Paul. Gary and Carol are members of Midway Presbyterian Church (PCA).

42 Comments

  1. Harmon Gottlieb says:

    What Peter means is that the “last days” denote a period of time subsequent to Christ having finished His Father’s work on earth, but preceding His visible return “in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God and that obey not the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.” There’s no need to build “prophetic speculation” into the phrase, “the last days,” but neither can the passage be spun into an elaborate metaphorical vehicle for a theological ‘regime change’ in favour of post-millennial gradualism. Peter refers to a physical, visible, historic event in the created order–a cataclysmic flood. The language specifying a natural occurrence, therefore, points to the oncoming of a final, apocalyptic, time-ending event.

    The intense physicality of Peter’s references ensure he’s not engaged in the symbolical or poetic encoding of cultic processes. In this particular passage, “elements” do embody the sense of _stoicheon_ which refers to the physical materials of the created universe.

    The Lord Jesus was describing a temporal fact when He said, “Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.” The Lord’s diction wasn’t constructing a complex, symbolical vehicle to express an abstract point about the outworking of religious change, but was aimed at a particular destructive event in time and space. Accordingly, “heavens being on fire” and elements melting “with fervent heat,” corresponds with the reference to the historic flood, and points forward to a palpable, geo-physical event–a universal, material ending.

  2. A. D. Sharpe says:

    Greg Finch -

    Jesus Christ in Heaven – flesh and blood does not go there. He has a glorified body. Can you not conceive of a glorified, spiritual, heavenly body having “substance”. Say, one that could eat fish with friends? Enoch did not die, as God “took him”. Likewise Elijah. The human body is born with hundreds of corrupting agents already in the flesh and blood.

    God told Adam some simple words concerning the trees in the Garden. Chavah did not believe God, distorted His word, added to it and subtracted from it. Paul said that she “was in the Trangression”. Thus, Redemption now has a requirement for “believing”, a decided contrast to the expression of unbelief in the Garden.

    Paul gave you a clue when he described somewhat circuitously his visit to the Third Heaven. He couldn’t tell if he was there bodily or in a vision. The important thing is that he claimed that”human language is not adequate to describe what I witnessed”.

    The Christian confession is that one believes that Jesus is Lord (not simply Messiah, but also Adonai) and that God has raised Him from the dead. The internal “proof” is the downpayment of redemption, the receipt of the Spirit of Christ whereby we cry “Abba, Father”. And, in Galatians, Paul informs us that that is the Son in us making the cry using our voice, as the gist of Gal. 2:20. The proof is not a correct doctrine, dogma or even an understanding of the “body” of Jesus Christ. If Paul couldn’t tell you, no one on this forum can tell you.

    If you follow the gist of Hebrews, where Christ is the express (exact) image (ikon) of God (Father), then if the promise is that you are to be conformed to the image of Christ, it is worthy of faith, that is believing.

    Christians in this life are generally not disengaged from witness and testimony of Jesus Christ due to their particular endtime beliefs, but through sloth, fear of man and sin. Theology is manmade. Dogma is manmade. When God calls a man, as He has through the ages, dogma and manmade rubbish fly out the window.

    The author of Hebrews declares “Today is the day of salvation”. If a Premillennial Dispensationalist won’t deliver the Gospel to Jews supposing that God has two soteriologies, it is sin, whatever the motive. If an Amillenialist won’t deliver the Godpel to Jews because he assumes wrongly that God has no interest in Jacob and that the Ekklesia has “superceded” Israel, it is sin.

    It is those who preach Christ and Him crucified that are needed. When the Good News is preached and folk believe, the Holy Spirit comes, and ekklesia is formed and daily life in the Lord commences.

    Unfortunately, in the US, most local assemblies have dogma, doctrine, entertainment, smoke and mirrors and the traditions of men.

    In that day, we shall be like He is.

    Believe it.

    I won’t comment again, as I have no interest in forums and the like. I bumped into this by accident (ha,ha) and I do not hold the myth of America as a Christian nation to be true – ever. Let the Muslims and Jews mistakenly label Europeans (Caucasians) as “Christians”.

    Just how many machine guns and nukes would the Army of Christ require to obtain “victory”?

  3. I have to disagree with the commentary on 2Peter3. I like the way you studied it so well, but you approached it from the wrong viewpoint. Peter is addressing Christians, not Jews. Jesus addressed disciples during His earthly mission, so was warning Jews, not Christians. It makes a BIG difference who the audience is that is being addressed, don’t you agree? Context is key. What would a Christian, (especially one of the dispersion) care about the destruction of Jerusalem at that time? I wouldn’t have. But the end of the world? Now THAT I would be afraid of. Paul uses this same scenario in 2Thess1:6-10 about the coming of the Lord. This will occur in the Last Day or Hour (not ‘days’ or ‘hours’). There is to be one final coming judgment- John5:28; Matt25:31-46; 2Peter3:1-14; 2Thess1:6-9; 1Corinth15:20-58; Matt7:21-24; Matt28:18-20–Do you believe Christ is with His disciples still? Or did that end with the destruction of Jerusalem? Also, what about 1Corinthians11:26? If all things ended at the destruction of Jerusalem, why do the saints still partake of the Lord’s Supper?

  4. Greg Finch says:

    Gary,

    I am in agreement with your overarching purpose of persuading Christians NOT to concede defeat in this world but to carry on the redeeming work that Christ began on the cross . . . that we would continue to be ‘mini-Christs’ bringing light into every institution and arena of our fallen race.

    I talk about this topic in my classes, and even though most of the people in them are amillenialists / partial preterists, many of the books they read have a dispensationalist worldview embedded into them. This, of course, causes many to unreflectingly concede defeat and to (as you say) liken the world to a Titanic that’s on its way down, and to view actively seeking to extend the influence of Christ and his mandates into the institutions of the world as ultimately being futile.

    So many thanks for your thoughts and your continuing to keep your perspective out in front of those who subscribe to your e-mail, etc.

  5. Tom Harkins says:

    Gary, I agree that there are passages talking about Christ coming “quickly” which might suggest the author was speaking of some other event than the Second Coming, such as some you reference. See Revelation 22:20. But this last verse in particular can hardly be seen as anything other than the Second Coming, following discussion of Heaven. “Quickly” may be understood as comparative to all history before. I think this is why Peter specifically says, “The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness.” 2 Peter 3:9. Why would Peter say that if he were speaking of the destruction of Jerusalem? He explains that God is being patient to allow for salvation. He also says that we are “looking forward to this,” v.14, which hardly makes sense of the destruction of Jerusalem. I think “last days” and the like may well have more than one meaning, depending on context. In one sense, we have been in the “last days” since Christ completed his redemptive work, “It is finished,” and now we wait for his return to culminate redemptive history. Romans 8:22-23. But there still must be an “ultimate end” to this world–is there no NT prophesy about that? I think 2 Peter 3 is.

  6. Gary DeMar says:

    That’s why the reader must pay close attention to the time indicators: near, shortly, at hand, “this generation,” now, etc.

    If you read the article, you will see how the NT uses the phrase “the last days.” The last days of what? As I point out, the apostles were living in the last days of the old covenant (1 Cor. 10:11; Heb. 1:1-2; 9:26; James 5:7-8; 1 Pet. 4:7; etc.)

    • Kerry says:

      Gary,
      If you only knew how much I appreciate your work in providing material relating to “the last days”. Sometimes in my particular situation it seems like a lonely road, so, thanks.

      I may disagree with you occasionally, but compared to the work in trying to help others see the lack of victory in a gloom and doom eschatology, and the plain language of the texts, the disagreements with you are minor.
      I’m glad you used some teaching comments of Dr. Owen on the subject of Peter’s 2nd epistle. In my mind, few if any could have said it better.

    • Andrew says:

      Hi Gary,thanks for being bold enough to provide the means for truth to be revealed about the “end times”
      I appreciate it alot because it is very rare to see people in the body of Christ who simply want the bible as it is.Many people are emotionally attached to doctrines which they have been fed with and they have pinned there hopes on those ideas, I can see some people aren’t getting what you are saying, when I read their responses. But its quite simple when you chuck out the old doctrines and read what the word says.

      The Law was up until John but since that time the Kingdom is at hand! And will increase on the earth. What an awesome message of hope in comparison to the gloom and doom rubbish.

      Keep going Gary.

      Cheers!

      Andrew Dove-Durban,South Africa

  7. Tom Harkins says:

    Gary, this article is interesting and ably argued. However, prophecies were OFTEN made at a certain time but with fulfillment long years later, including the prophecies of Christ’s FIRST coming. Thus, it would not be surprising for Peter to be speaking to US at the end of time in 2 Peter 3. So when Peter says, “the last days,” v.3, there is no reason not to take him literally, as opposed to interpolating “the last days of the Jewish order.” This is supported by the fact that the mockers say, everything continues as from “the beginning of creation,” v.4, not from the beginning of the Jewish order. In fact, Peter’s response is that they forget the flood, v.5-6, a pre-Abrahamic event. Then Peter extrapolates from that utter destruction of the world as it THEN existed to the utter destruction of the world as it CURRENTLY exists. Everything Peter says in c. 3 fits his w/ speaking to US at the “final end.”

  8. A. D. Sharpe says:

    Gentlemen:

    I require a “big bang” and “elements melting with a fervent heat” in my endtime scenario. Please stick to the script.

    In that Chapter, Peter compares catastrophe against catastrophe – Flood against a supernova “event” – and does not offer mere symbolism. If your “method” is correct, prophecy is a poetic ruse.

    “Knowing this, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake, moved by the Holy Ghost.” That is to say, when it happens, then you’ll know. And, you might be as “wrong” as was Peter about Gentiles.

    The non-poetic tenor of the letter: “angels that sinned”; “spared not the old world”; Flood; Sodom/Gomorrah fried; delivered Lot; rebuked Balaam through the first chrismatic – his ass who was given several gifts by God in order that an evil man might be chastised by a dumb beast; time line shift – 1=1000=1 with the Lord (not you) and finally -

    “the Lord is not slack concerning his promise – perhaps the most solid phrase of the letter, give notice to the prudent that this is not a poetic discourse. Peter was not given to “poetic” expression, but he was a blue-collar sword-wielding type – much modified by dealings arranged for him by the Lord.

    You would have us believe that Abraham thrust the knife towards Yitzak’s heart for a bit of poetic fluff. And yet, Abraham longed for a heavenly city – that is, God must have told him about it; perhaps also showed it to him. I would also suggest that the “Day” Abraham saw was from beginning to end – The Day of the Lord from birth to Glorious parousia – but that is a hunch, obviously. Abraham certainly walked in a faith that is foreign to most professors of this day. I suppose that to be, in one part, due to an abundance of poets wooing in this day. The common place now is that, like you, professing Christians abandon Abraham and the Fathers, who are co-heirs with him of the promise, ridicule those who prefer tents and seek to build not only cities, but also nations, ignoring that such build in order to make a haShem for themselves. I personally do not want to live in a dominionist construct here on earth. I’ll “settle” for an heavenly. This earthly construction is no different that current day Judaism except that their construction is facilitated by God, as he is going to give them the Bar Abbas they demanded – but to the Nth power. If Israel (any man) is cursed for trusting to man’s strength, what of Christian “nation” builders?

    The admonition of Peter was not to “figure” the date; but simply to live in the reality of the certainty of its coming. “Figuring” the Day is akin to witchcraft.

    The apparent intent of the website is to perpetuate a myth – namely America as a Christian nation – a spiritual impossiblity. The Declaration of Independence is simultaneously anti-God and anti-Christ – not Christian. The Constitution is blatantly Freemason in its terminology referencing God and the “Establishment” clause is deliberately written in language that conforms to Masonic dogma, accomadating the Masonic mantra that “there are many paths to God”. That US flag standing on most pulpit platofrms is not one whit different in essence than the Nazi flags that decorated German Lutheran pulpits. Both flags represent the butchery of World kingdoms; one ‘church’ denying that Gentiles are incorporated into Israel and butchering all who were “in the way” of the glorious Reich, the other “church” Judaized to the extreme that they kill everyone not-Jewish with gleeful abandon as they “establish Dominion” for the Lord. It is a bit strange to find a Domnionist so aligned with the Scofield Gang – but there you are.

    The true spirit of the US is Satanic and it most resembles Babylon. Unitarians and Freemasons do not “found” Christian nations. But beyond that, the overriding proof is that God does not bless Rebellion. Satan is the root of Rebellion and remains the root. George Washington in his Masonic apron laying the “cornerstone” shows clearly who it was that built this nation. If His kingdom is not of this world, how then does one saddle the Lord with this monstrosity named the Unted States? You must have a very complicated soteriology if you also have “Christian” nations versus “unsaved” nations. How exactly is a backslidden nation returned to the ekklesia? How can a Christian nation be incorporated into Israel, as are individuals? Which is it – the ekklesia or the Nation? Do you hang with Il Papa too much?

    The only Christian nation is that holy nation – the ekklesia of God – which remains partly on earth, part having gone on awaiting the resurrection. That was Peter’s label – which is the label applied by God to Israel. Israel has never disappeared nor is it exclusively Jewish or Gentile. It does not, however correspond to Agar in Arabia, that is, Jerusalem. Even that, accroding to the sure promise of God, will be remedied in His timing.

    I think you would fare better if you had simply pulled a Luther on this one. Also, I have not said that you are not a Christian or that you are a false prophet or the like. I do think you are very wrong in your assumptions, particularly about the United States.

    He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord Jesus Christ. And, to restate a truth – “No flesh shall glory in His presence.”

    • Peter David Becerra says:

      A. D. Sharpe,

      I appreciate your take on iN CHRISt. Glory be to the 1 who stilled the sea. As we seek to servie the LORD and others with a spirit of humility,

  9. Gary DeMar says:

    My goal in writing about eschatology is to get Christians to take this world more seriously. We’re here for “three-score and ten” (give or take a few years), so God must want us to do something. What happens after death and what type of body we have or how heaven’s going to work is God’s business. We’ll know when we get there. Whether the resurrection is individual or corporate is another one of those issues where knowing now won’t have any impact on how we relate to other people and the world. That’s why nearly everything I write deals with last days issues. If we can get millions of Christians to quit fixating on the falsity of end-times speculation, a great deal in this world would change.

    • Stephen Ray Hale says:

      I appreciate that you want to get Christians, now, to do something for “this generation.” That is why I have bought so many books from you or your book store concerning political/Biblical issues and a few on the eschatology. This raving dispensationalist has even worked with a Randian atheist and Trad Catholic and a some raw libertarians to try to start a Liberty district in Loving County, Texas, so that folk from some major third parties could get together and compete with each other in trying to give as much liberty in governance as possible according to whatever party tenets is practical in that agenda.
      But what is the use, or even what is the hope for God led success when whatever government we establish over the tyrannical parties we deal with today slights Israel and despites the Jews, those that even at this late stage, might have a hidden one third of potential brothers in Christ, that He will save in the greatest demonstration of mercy there could be this side of that mercy given to the gentiles.
      We are already stomping on that other raw nerve of God concerning the innocent blood of the children we murder every day as a nation. I do NOT want government supporting Israel or any other nation with money stolen from the people so it can say it gives “charity” to the nations. Governments cannot do charity (Agape – unconditional love) because all government largesse distributed is backed by mandates, strings, conditions and covert requests for political remunerations. Our governmental support actually ties Israel’s hands to do that which can keep its citizens safe. WE as individual citizens who desire the safety of Israel (though we know she remains ALREADY governing Jerusalem and whatever of Judah she is able to stand on, even beyond the rapture) should help her in what ways we can, and let God preserve her militarily, in that God is bent on demonstrating His greatest other demonstration of mercy, not for their righteousness but for HIS PRECIOUS NAME’S SAKE, a theme I notice is lacking even among our Dispensational folk…and by the way I abhor date setting as much/or more as you claim, having to endure your position ridiculing us as the date setters weaken our hands by ignoring that obvious scriptural prohibition.
      The truth is, except for the rapture itself; the church has no more prophetic expectations this side of the rapture. Everything we see today is like light or sand drifting under the door of the rapture of the infrastructure God and Satan is building, which things are “kept in store, reserved” for that end which God will bring to the age this side of the millennium, and, generally, for the next.
      To be sure it appears that Israel has to be in the land and governing during those seven years after the rapture. Lucifer will have to have his infrastructure in place to make his move toward world governance and religious apostasy. The “this generation” that begins to see the real motion of events, hurriedly taking place during those seven years will not even range the whole forty years of 360 day years before Christ is found sitting openly on the Throne of the kingdoms.
      There IS no “this generation” left for us during the church age ending at the rapture. So you are accurate in laughing at that concept. Peter served his generation well by preaching concerning “this evil generation” and giving the baptism of repentance:

      Acts 2:38-40(KJV)

      38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

      39For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

      40And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from THIS UNTOWARD GENERATION.
      If we do not see America in the prophecies of the end time, it will be because of two scenarios. We have forsaken as a nation the shoring up of that sand we see under the door by despising Israel as a nation and have continued to shed the innocent blood of the children to our destruction before the time, or we have persevered and the rapture has devastated OUR infrastructure when forty percent of us, even you or your descendants kicking and screaming disappear, leaving the nation ravaged and stricken to the level of a fourth world nation that, to OUR credit, cannot even man an expeditionary force to harry Israel in the hour of her SALVATION. Our testimony established by our churches in our assisting Israel may even carry on over into the period after the rapture so that individual Christians among the nations converted during that time would continue aiding and abetting the Jews, never realizing that hidden among that treasure is a third, a remnant precious to Jesus, accounting, indirectly, a continuance of our church ministry beyond our time to the abundance of righteous gentiles converted by the ministries found in those last seven years, and of the Jews preserved alive by their agape-like beneficence.

      Ephesians 3:10(KJV)

      10To the intent that NOW unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

      Ephesians 3:21(KJV)

      21Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
      For sure, as evidence of that small seven year period, is the New Testament prophecy of the termination of the marvelous sign gifts to the Jews, corralled or headed up by tongues, at the destruction of the temple…or the end of “this evil generation” contemporaneous with Jesus, the actual forty years of 360 day years given by the dual fulfilling prophecy of Micah 7:15 compared to John 5:20. There is also the separate prophecy of the doing away of the holy spirit enhanced memory of eyewitnesses Paul calls the gift of knowing [GINOSCO] or knowledge [GNOSIS] AND the gift of prophecy. The fulfillment of THAT is sure considering that John the Apostle who was the last surviving EYEWITNESS of what Jesus said and did…meaning that gift Paul calls knowledge/knowing that shall be done away with, in that it involved the eyewitness to what Jesus said and did, either died or penned the last words of his testimony, the Gospel of John, in about 90-95 AD; and since it was combined in 1 Corinthians 13:8-13 with prophecy, John also was the last prophet, having died or penned his last prophecy, the book of Revelations. John also left his commentary to Paul’s writings as Peter had been doing commentary on Paul’s writings, by emphasizing the “more excellent way,” that Paul was trying to exalt of all the gifts…the Agape or unconditional love given by God to us at salvation, alone of the credibility giving gifts that existed during the time of the first churches, and he did that in his epistles, the last writings of the apostles.
      The church will no longer see the existence of such gifts which were practiced according to the law of two or three witnesses that establishes a matter by individual Christians testifying orderly and in harmony their special gift, “IN PART.” This “in part” translating the Greek EK MEROUS was NOT an incomplete something that will be done away with at the end of time when the complete something will come as is found in most commentaries concerning 1 Corinthians 13 such as that of John MacArthur, but the practice of giving testimony, one at a time and “in succession“ [ANA MEROS- 1 Corinthians 14:27] by those of the body of Christ even spirit gifted members IN PARTICULAR [EK MEROUS – 1 Corinthians 12:27] according to that law of two or three witnesses that establishes a matter. The missing neuter singular substantive of the ellipsis in 1 Corinthians 13:10 according to the almost insecure practice by Paul to provide it somewhere in a near or far context of his letters, is found in the introductory material of 1 Corinthians 1:6 and it is the neuter singular word THE TESTIMONY [TO MARTURION]. Such confirming and archivable testimony or knowledge [GNOSIS] of Christ, as, actually, of every one of the revelatory gifts that would be written down by the scribes of Christ (Matthew 23:24 – wise men and scribes being a definition of or the duties of APOSTLES Luke 11:49), was being collected and collated into letters or books that also recorded teachings [confirmed testimony or knowledge - EPIGNOSIS 1 Corinthians 13:12, and its verb 1 Corinthians 14:37] derived from the individual testimonies [ or GNOSIS - knowledge] and traditions that we have to be concerned with [2 Thessalonians 2:15], which Paul, even then was beginning to gather.
      This discovery of the substantive of the ellipsis of 1 Corinthians 13:10 would give that verse this rendering if we supplied that missing substantive, “But when may come the complete [archivable] TESTIMONY then the [archivable] TESTIMONY in part [or the practice of individual gifted members of the Body of Christ giving their knowledge in succession according to the law of two or three witnesses] shall be done away. This LAST archivable testimony would be given by the last surviving eyewitness, the Apostle John, in his LAST eyewitness testimony, the Gospel of John, and His last Prophecy testimony, REVELATIONS, and his LAST admonition to adhere to the desire of Paul to exalt AGAPE unconditional love, his Epistles of John, and in his LAST PROPHECY, we get this LAST testimony of Jesus Christ in the very last words to be ever written down:

      Revelation 22:16-20(KJV)

      16I Jesus have sent mine angel to TESTIFY unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

      17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

      18For I TESTIFY unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

      19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

      20He which TESTIFIETH these things saith, SURELY I COME QUICKLY. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
      And with that last AMEN, the last confirming of the testimony of Jesus, who during His life on earth, confirmed His words with a double AMEN according to the law of two or three witnesses that establishes a matter, we have that COMPLETING ARCHIVABLE TESTIMONY that does away with the practice of Spirit gifted members of the body of Christ, “the pillar and foundation of truth,” the only real magesterium to have existed, giving their testimony according to the law of two or three witnesses. The surviving gift of discerning of spirits (spirituals – the fruit of testifying which is knowledge) that still gifted teachers possess today, can take from the entire mind of God of everything He desires us to know or has freely given to us [2 Corinthians 2:12], and makes it easy for us to spread the individual testimonies extracted from that archive of testimonies, The Bible, and PRIVATELY bring out that doctrine, or teaching, according to the law of two or three witnesses, provided we heed THIS warning from Peter in 2 Peter 1:20, in this corrected translation of the verse that had been treacherously translated by Rome from the Greek, “This first knowing that every prophecy of scripture is NOT of its OWN INTERPRETATION.” This is one of the corollaries of the law of multiple witnesses that is stated by Moses in this generalized form, “in the mouth of one witness shall no man be put to death,” or as stated by Jesus, “If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.”
      We no longer need to be afraid of the testimony of “prophets” falsely so called, today and unless what they are saying is jiving with the ONLY ARCHIVE of prophecy extant, then we can call them a liar to their face. HOWEVER, Paul seems to forbid us the extravagance of being rude, and wants us to not so forcibly strive with those “without knowledge” in that 1 Corinthians 13, which denies the churches beyond John the Apostle to claim the mantle of prophet, has established in place of that absence of the gift of prophecy, the more excellent way of Agape unconditional love. And John has testified in the Gospel of John that Jesus says, “IN THIS shall ALL (men) KNOW that YE ARE MY DISCIPLES, in that ye have love [AGAPE] ONE TO ANOTHER.” That is how John the Apostle puts his AMEN to the writings of Paul as did Peter in his epistles who, also, was doing commentary on the writings of Paul.
      The last seven years, however, of the entire age before Christ’s return to the earth will see a renewal of the Spirit giving gifts to those saints we preview in Revelations. There will again be prophets and marvels and miracles and other amazing works. The prophecy of Paul concerning the gifts and prophecy being done away with was only for the age of the gentiles as personified in the assemblies of Christ, in visible and local manifestations of His Body, built upon the concept of the law of two or three witnesses, HEADED by the words of testimony by Peter “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God,” of which Paul was peculiarly tasked to minister. There IS no invisible or visible universal church.
      I believe that Paul had a taste of his longing to sit down with the complete mind of God of those things He desires us to know
      Deuteronomy 29:29(KJV)

      29The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

      1 Corinthians 2:12-16(KJV)

      12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
      13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual [this is that involving discerning of spirits that existed then and now].

      14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned [involved with discerning of spirits].

      15But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

      16For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
      I believe he had that taste towards the end of his life when he brought together almost all of those involved in the final archiving of the testimony that we call the New Testament, perhaps with the already collated Hebrew Scriptures as well. The commentary of Paul’s completed writings by Peter and by John the Apostle, no doubt, was missing along with one or two books that appear to be dependent on Peter’s testimony. But Paul gathered, along with the parchments and the books he had requested, at least two of those involved in writing, such as John Mark and Luke, with Matthew’s testimony, possibly some of which having been borrowed from Mark, among the books or parchments:

      2 Timothy 4:11-13(KJV)

      11Only LUKE is with me. Take MARK, and bring him with thee: for he is profitable to me for the ministry.

      12And Tychicus have I sent to Ephesus.

      13The cloak that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the BOOKS, but especially the PARCHMENTS.
      I suspect that at THIS time when all were gathered together, Paul and his cronies put together an archived collection of written testimony that awaited only Peter’s and the Apostle John’s contribution, and it was that collected work of Paul’s at this time that Peter and later John, who may have inherited the archive from Peter at his death, made commentary on the works of Paul, John giving his own testimony to amen that of the whole proto-collection.
      Of course I have not answered your whole corpus of contradiction to the understanding of the responsible dispensationalists, but I believe the simple overlooking of the Jews protestation of desiring a sign “FROM HEAVEN” and Jesus denying them such a sign by giving them only a sign of Jonah, apparently concerning His death, burial, and resurrection in three days, has defeated your contention that there is only ONE “this generation” of concern and that is the one contemporaneous with Christ, and the apostles prior to the destruction of the temple in 70 AD. I have been too long among the 9-11 truthers and anti-Semites/anti-Israel in this movement. None of them have stopped to compare Jesus admonition to love their enemies, and to do good to them, and then compare what was done by the righteous gentiles, in how they did good works to those that could be possible called enemies but are then the brethren of Christ – the Jews. The despicable Jews of today may soon get their comeuppance when two thirds of them are destroyed when God begins to plead with the first of His people. The balance will be brethren for whom we are to rejoice in their day of salvation.

  10. Stephen Ray Hale says:

    I too believe “generation” to be that of a span of lifetime. I absolutely agree that there was a forty year period from the Death of John the Baptist in March AD 31 to the August destruction of the temple in 70 AD according to the days of the children of Israel coming out of the land of Egypt forty years according to the 360 day years they actually experienced before about 700 BC when the years began to become 365.242196 days long. This was the generation of the marvelous sign gifts to the Jews, the one that only that evil generation could experience the unpardenable sin – the sting being in that they would not live their full lifetime, in that Jews were fixated on “living in the land.” I believe that this generation would NOT see a sign from heaven as demanded Jesus by the Jews and that is why you are SO wrong to presume that the “this generation” of Mathew 24 which had multiple signs from heaven and marked the salvation of the Jews (two thirds ELECT, the beloved brethren of Jesus of Matthew 25 – for those of us who believe in election and predestination) belonged to “this evil generation” which were denied any signs from heaven. “This generation” seeing the signs is not for us in the age of the church (visible and local assemblies established along the lines of the law of testimony of two or three witnesses that establishes a matter), it belongs on the other side of the rapture, and unlike the “this evil generation” which lasted the full forty years before destruction came, the “this generation” seeing signs from heaven lasted approximately seven years, not even completing the full forty years before things were accomplished and the thousand year kingdom of living Jews and living gentiles who were nice to the Jews, answers every problem of immediacy you have manufactured to deny the straight forward telling of events found in the Bible. Both “this generation(s)” COULD have been the same generation were the Jews corporately willing to recognize Jesus as the prophet Moses predicted according to the prophecy given him by God, miffed at the denial of the first set of evil generation Israelites unwilling to risk what they thought as instant death to see a God of fire and thunder and smoke, to send God in a soft glove of Flesh, though meek in demeaner, the denial of his words given to Him by God the Father, had repurcusions as experienced in 70 AD. We who believe in the forknowledge of God (Calvinists if you please) KNEW that the positive scenario would not take place and so there had to be a dividing where a future elect would experience the salvation of the land. Sorry I do not have space to develope this for you further, but I could answer single questions to spend the allotment of space here to expound.

  11. Greg Finch says:

    Thanks very much for the response . . . I know what I’m referencing is the general resurrection, but I just don’t know what events accompany that event – what ‘the end of the world’ looks like. When I read your articles, I understand what you’re saying about the end of the age being the end of the Jewish age and the dawning of the kingdom of Christ as it exists in the Christian age. I just don’t know how to think about the end of the world as we NOW know it. It sounds as though you’re just comfortable with saying that we don’t know . . . and I’m also fine with that.

    On a related note, my understanding is that Christ is currently in the same (bodily) form as he was in when he disappeared into the clouds, yet my understanding of heaven (the dwelling place of God and the angels) is that it is a spiritual realm. I have never heard a satisfying explanation of exactly how a resurrected Christ is currently living in heaven – and I know that “when he appears we will be like him.”

    Similarly, I wonder how Jesus the Son is able to manifest all the attributes of the Deity when he is in his current form. The Word that we read about in John 1 sounds like a more metaphysical sort of being.

    Any thoughts you would care to offer would be much appreciated.

  12. Nathan says:

    Gary, great info. I was curious about this statement of yours though, “We get our new bodies either at death or at the general resurrection. I’m fine with either position.” Reason being, it seems there used to (as in reformatoin times, possbily Luther himself.) be more of a diversity of opinion concerning the “intermidate state” or what occurs at death. Now it seems like there is only one position, which is, we go to heaven immediately. But do you have any sourses that suggest we actually sleep until the resurrection? Your comment seems to hint either way unless I’m reading it incorrectly.

  13. Gary DeMar says:

    Let’s suppose you were able to ask Peter these same questions? What would he have said? Could he have envisioned everything that would happen in the nearly 2000 years since he was given the prophecy? I don’t think so unless it came by way of revelation. We haven’t been told what’s next. I suspect that the next eschatological event for you and me is death. We get our new bodies either at death or at the general resurrection. I’m fine with either position.

    • Kerry says:

      Gary,
      I know your position, (at least I think so) and I’m sure I can’t change your mind, but I would disagree that the general resurrection is in the future.
      I don’t believe you can separate the resurrection of the righteous and unrighteous in Daniel 12, from the generation of Jesus in which there is a judgment predicted to occur at the Lord’s return. Daniel 12 specifically speaks of the Messiah. In my mind, all this has been done. This of course is my opinion, and you won’t change my mind at this point either.

      I do greatly enjoy your articles, and the work you do. From everything I have read, this may be one of the only things we disagree on. Keep up the good work.

  14. Greg Finch says:

    I have been characterized as an amillenialist, and agree with the above. I have heard that that equates with being a ‘partial preterist,’ but that Gary DeMar, etc., are simply ‘preterists.’

    Where is the disconnect, and (more importantly) just what IS the next event? WHEN do we get our new resurrected bodies, and WHERE do those bodies live?

    Please, no derisive responses . . . I have been reading these articles and generally agree with them – but ISN’T there still SOME event that is going to happen after which everyone will be judged and then the world will be restored to its state of sinless perfection – with Christians as its inhabitants?

    Thanks.

    • ethan says:

      The next event is the second coming of Christ (Acts 1:11 and 3:20-21, 1 Corinthians 15:23b, Philippians 3:20, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18), the resurrection and final judgment (Matthew 13:30, 41-43; Revelation 20:11-15, 1 Corinthians 15:24, 26, 50-55; John 5:28-29, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, Philippians 3:21) , and the delivering of the kingdom up to God the Father (1 Corinthians 15:24), which will occur at the last day (John 6:40).

      The resurrected bodies will live in the consummated new heaven and new earth (Revelation 21:1-5), which will actually be the same earth, but with the curse lifted (Romans 8:19-21).

      Soli Deo gloria!

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