Comments on: Facts Do Not Speak for Themselves http://americanvision.org/3243/facts-do-not-speak-for-themselves/ Sat, 11 Feb 2012 09:45:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: JesusNotMoney http://americanvision.org/3243/facts-do-not-speak-for-themselves/comment-page-1/#comment-7472 JesusNotMoney Tue, 03 Aug 2010 01:35:43 +0000 http://americanvision.org/?p=3243#comment-7472 I teach government. I can tell you I don't qualify as a socialist. If you have your own definition for "socialist" that I qualify as, then Jesus and Calvin must qualify as "socialist" as well. You are far too interested in slapping a label on someone who doesn't agree with you and denying their Faith. I will pray for you that the Lord might lift the anger and hatred that seems evident in your heart. I teach government. I can tell you I don't qualify as a socialist. If you have your own definition for "socialist" that I qualify as, then Jesus and Calvin must qualify as "socialist" as well. You are far too interested in slapping a label on someone who doesn't agree with you and denying their Faith. I will pray for you that the Lord might lift the anger and hatred that seems evident in your heart.

]]> By: mark dobert http://americanvision.org/3243/facts-do-not-speak-for-themselves/comment-page-1/#comment-7377 mark dobert Sun, 01 Aug 2010 12:46:21 +0000 http://americanvision.org/?p=3243#comment-7377 Then you by definition are a socialist. social spending isn't constitutional and its not Biblical. Against the death penalty isn't Biblical either as the penalty of sin is death. There were 35 things in the Bible that demanded the death penalty. To deny it is to deny God's law. You sound like you bought into the "liberation theology" line of believers who pick and chose which laws to obey or to fit them to your beliefs as the Pharisees did. I have no beef with you nor do I want to argue like children,I just want to state the facts as the article was all about. May God reveal these things to you someday and may you have peace when you He does. God Bless you Then you by definition are a socialist. social spending isn’t constitutional and its not Biblical. Against the death penalty isn’t Biblical either as the penalty of sin is death. There were 35 things in the Bible that demanded the death penalty. To deny it is to deny God’s law. You sound like you bought into the “liberation theology” line of believers who pick and chose which laws to obey or to fit them to your beliefs as the Pharisees did. I have no beef with you nor do I want to argue like children,I just want to state the facts as the article was all about. May God reveal these things to you someday and may you have peace when you He does. God Bless you

]]> By: JesusNotMoney http://americanvision.org/3243/facts-do-not-speak-for-themselves/comment-page-1/#comment-7349 JesusNotMoney Sat, 31 Jul 2010 21:21:33 +0000 http://americanvision.org/?p=3243#comment-7349 This is a grammatical thing: I stated "for their use of the law" not for "using the law" - there is a big difference. When you reference Matthew 23:23 you prove the point I was making. This is a grammatical thing: I stated "for their use of the law" not for "using the law" – there is a big difference. When you reference Matthew 23:23 you prove the point I was making.

]]> By: Ben http://americanvision.org/3243/facts-do-not-speak-for-themselves/comment-page-1/#comment-7320 Ben Sat, 31 Jul 2010 04:33:09 +0000 http://americanvision.org/?p=3243#comment-7320 Jesus did not criticize the pharisees using the law but for their forgetting the meaning behind the law. Matthew 23:23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others." Jesus never came to do away with the law he came to fulfill it. Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill." Jesus did not criticize the pharisees using the law but for their forgetting the meaning behind the law. Matthew 23:23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others."

Jesus never came to do away with the law he came to fulfill it. Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill."

]]> By: James Atherton http://americanvision.org/3243/facts-do-not-speak-for-themselves/comment-page-1/#comment-7307 James Atherton Sat, 31 Jul 2010 01:43:51 +0000 http://americanvision.org/?p=3243#comment-7307 Do it for yourself, and the God you say you serve. Do it for yourself, and the God you say you serve.

]]> By: JesusNotMoney http://americanvision.org/3243/facts-do-not-speak-for-themselves/comment-page-1/#comment-7309 JesusNotMoney Sat, 31 Jul 2010 01:39:09 +0000 http://americanvision.org/?p=3243#comment-7309 This may be my last response as I'm not interested in provoking unproductive, extremist comments. For the political record (which you guys are very interested in here): I'm for less spending, less taxing (once the debt is resolved), stronger state and local government, weaker federal government. I'm for Christian charity and for some social spending (though not to the extent we have today). I am pro-life and I am against capital punishment because of the imperfections of our legal system. I am for public schools and private schools. Public schools have existed in this country since it was a country and are not the engines of some sort of societal decline. This society has always been sinful because WE are sinful and now we have all sorts of new technologies to help us indulge in sin. We also have an urban, mobile, atomistic lifestyle which greatly weakens the power of public pressure to conform to at least a public display of etiquette and morality. You guys are looking in the wrong place when you focus on institutional rules. It's much bigger than that and much harder to fight. This may be my last response as I'm not interested in provoking unproductive, extremist comments.

For the political record (which you guys are very interested in here): I'm for less spending, less taxing (once the debt is resolved), stronger state and local government, weaker federal government. I'm for Christian charity and for some social spending (though not to the extent we have today). I am pro-life and I am against capital punishment because of the imperfections of our legal system. I am for public schools and private schools. Public schools have existed in this country since it was a country and are not the engines of some sort of societal decline. This society has always been sinful because WE are sinful and now we have all sorts of new technologies to help us indulge in sin. We also have an urban, mobile, atomistic lifestyle which greatly weakens the power of public pressure to conform to at least a public display of etiquette and morality. You guys are looking in the wrong place when you focus on institutional rules. It's much bigger than that and much harder to fight.

]]> By: JesusNotMoney http://americanvision.org/3243/facts-do-not-speak-for-themselves/comment-page-1/#comment-7308 JesusNotMoney Sat, 31 Jul 2010 01:38:54 +0000 http://americanvision.org/?p=3243#comment-7308 You guys can be pretty hateful for Christians; criticizing me for being a public school teacher because you think I'm comfortable with 'taking money out of another person's pocket', describing people who don't have your political views as "sheeple", etc. You also seem to think you know more about my job than I do... which you don't. AmericanVision seems a bit too fixated on worldly issues, especially money, for my taste. I think you need to study up on the Covenant. This focus you guys have on Old Testament Law is curious considering that Jesus criticized the pharisees for their use of the Law. I question whether some of the strongly-worded, sometimes hostile, views among these comments on articles spring forth out of Christian love or out of Worldly desires. You guys can be pretty hateful for Christians; criticizing me for being a public school teacher because you think I'm comfortable with 'taking money out of another person's pocket', describing people who don't have your political views as "sheeple", etc. You also seem to think you know more about my job than I do… which you don't. AmericanVision seems a bit too fixated on worldly issues, especially money, for my taste. I think you need to study up on the Covenant. This focus you guys have on Old Testament Law is curious considering that Jesus criticized the pharisees for their use of the Law. I question whether some of the strongly-worded, sometimes hostile, views among these comments on articles spring forth out of Christian love or out of Worldly desires.

]]> By: JesusNotMoney http://americanvision.org/3243/facts-do-not-speak-for-themselves/comment-page-1/#comment-7226 JesusNotMoney Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:10:29 +0000 http://americanvision.org/?p=3243#comment-7226 I don't have to jump through hoops for you. I don't have to jump through hoops for you.

]]> By: mark dobert http://americanvision.org/3243/facts-do-not-speak-for-themselves/comment-page-1/#comment-7222 mark dobert Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:07:32 +0000 http://americanvision.org/?p=3243#comment-7222 JNM: If you're a member of the NEA or the AFT then your union dues pay for the brainwashing too. Union teachers have no reason to do a good job especially since they have tenure or the pols behind them no matter what they do wrong to our kids. Maybe you don't have the things I mentioned in your school district but you will soon when your tax base is eroded from the foreclosures taking place there. Your district will cry out for federal and state aid as they all are doing now! The "No child left behind" bill gives them the power to teach whatever they want and you have no say in the matter. God bless you for having what you have but no gov't sponsored anything lasts long when the currency is debased. When this happens will you work for free? I doubt you will and neither will your union! Do you think your local residents won't rebel against your high benefit packages and salary when all around are losing their homes and their jobs? Here where I live, they're laying off teachers, closing down class rooms, cutting sports and after school programs and even cutting back on bussing and my taxes are still rising!!!! Your gig will be up soon but the feds will try to keep it going so the gov't can keep the sheeple in line for their next generational fleecing! BTW: I have no politics...there isn't anyone I trust that I'd vote for! If evil is in control, then those who participate in it are evil too! No matter who you vote for they all pay homage to the fed and the phoney money system and promise others money from my pocket to give to you! who has no qulams about taking it! JNM: If you’re a member of the NEA or the AFT then your union dues pay for the brainwashing too. Union teachers have no reason to do a good job especially since they have tenure or the pols behind them no matter what they do wrong to our kids. Maybe you don’t have the things I mentioned in your school district but you will soon when your tax base is eroded from the foreclosures taking place there. Your district will cry out for federal and state aid as they all are doing now! The “No child left behind” bill gives them the power to teach whatever they want and you have no say in the matter. God bless you for having what you have but no gov’t sponsored anything lasts long when the currency is debased. When this happens will you work for free? I doubt you will and neither will your union! Do you think your local residents won’t rebel against your high benefit packages and salary when all around are losing their homes and their jobs? Here where I live, they’re laying off teachers, closing down class rooms, cutting sports and after school programs and even cutting back on bussing and my taxes are still rising!!!! Your gig will be up soon but the feds will try to keep it going so the gov’t can keep the sheeple in line for their next generational fleecing!

BTW: I have no politics…there isn’t anyone I trust that I’d vote for! If evil is in control, then those who participate in it are evil too! No matter who you vote for they all pay homage to the fed and the phoney money system and promise others money from my pocket to give to you! who has no qulams about taking it!

]]> By: lefttheleftcoast http://americanvision.org/3243/facts-do-not-speak-for-themselves/comment-page-1/#comment-7216 lefttheleftcoast Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:25:30 +0000 http://americanvision.org/?p=3243#comment-7216 Great analogy about "guns and autos" Mark, thanx. A little bit of humanism is like a cancer cell or yeast, eventually, all is ruined or leavened. Great analogy about "guns and autos" Mark, thanx. A little bit of humanism is like a cancer cell or yeast, eventually, all is ruined or leavened.

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