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Published on June 30th, 2010 | by Gary DeMar


Five Truths that Liberals Hate

1.   You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2.   What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3.   The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4.   When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

5.   You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.

If you enjoyed this list you will probably enjoy Joel McDurmon’s “Five Truths that Republicans Hate.”

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About the Author

Gary is a graduate of Western Michigan University (1973) and earned his M.Div. at Reformed Theological Seminary in 1979. He is the author of countless essays, news articles, and more than 27 book titles, His most recent book is Exposing the Real Last Days Scoffers. Gary lives in Marietta, Georgia, with his wife, Carol. They have two married sons and four grandchildren, Gary and Carol are members of Midway Presbyterian Church (PCA).

101 Responses to Five Truths that Liberals Hate

  1. Patrick Mahoney says:

    You are a flaming idiot, Murfy, and an internet troll.

  2. Kenny says:


    Down here….

    The U.S. is not a theocracy.It was never meant to be governed by Biblical Law..It never will be either..

    Tell me again, what’s the difference between you guys and the Taliban?

  3. E D Stewart Jr says:

    It's clear to me that politics should be discussed much more frequently, in order to clarify the Biblical thinking related to God's sovereignty and His entrance into politics of both Christians and supposed Christians who post here. Of course, supposed Christians will NEVER think Biblically.

  4. E D Stewart Jr says:

    Michelle, above,

    "The Lord helps those who help themselves" is not Scriptural. Do some of your own research on who said it!

  5. This is the wine you've saved for last? Politics? You savor not the things of God, but the things of men.

  6. mikefromwichita says:

    Mr. Demar makes much the same economic error as Karl Marx when he assumes that mere labour is the most important factor in production in a modern economy. The machine tenders in a modern factory producing shoes average dozens? hundreds? of pairs per day with far less effort than a cobbler two centuries back who was lucky to produce a couple of pairs a day. Most of this increased productivity is tied to accumulation of Technique- the skills/knowledge required to produce and do useful things. Most of that accumulated Technique is free for the reading and NOT an item of legitimate Private Property. Sooooo, since it is already obvious that the machine tender in that shoe plant is not going to get every penny of the value of his daily output just why must ALL of the excess be reserved for Managers, land/resource holders and owners of capital when so much production is dependent upon Technique which all of us have a more or less equal claim upon as members of society?

  7. Michele says:

    In response to Steve above … you miss the point.

    Jesus, our Lord and Savior, advocated that we each help each other. He did NOT advocate that the government take from one to give to the other. He did not advocate that we be FORCED by the government to give up the hard-earned recompense for our own work for the government to decide how to redistribute it.

    Jesus also advocated a simple premise: The Lord helps those who help themselves. This premise reflects SELF-RESPONSIBILITY, a concept that has been lost on our country for many, many years. Unfortunately, this concept has now been destroyed at the highest levels by the socialist progressives now holding the yoke.

    I have earned my own way for over 40 years, paid taxes as required, and have helped my fellow man to the extent of my abilities (both physical and economic).

    It is NOT up to the government, nor up to those who have placed themselves above all others (under the guise of being more ‘socially conscious’) to tell me how to live my life.

  8. I believe Mr. DeMar and many political pundits and commentators are correct that the Obama Administration would take this Country into a Socialist Abyss, however there is substantial evidence that EVERY President at least in the modern era and arguably further back have been involved in a move to divide the United States to further implement their plans for a New World Order.

    President George Herbert Walker Bush coin the phrase in his 11 September 1991 speech and was quickly symied from using the phrase until it has resurfaced through the likes of Henry Kissinger and David Rockfeller. President Bill Clinton signed the NAFTA Agreement in 1998 and since then more than 3 million manufacturing jobs and 7 million textile jobs have been sent overseas. President George W. Bush after “stealing” the election of 2000, claimed to want to “heal” the Nation and started a Global conflict where he and Vice President Richard Cheney profited off the backs of thousands of Our Military Servicement and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and Afghans.

    President Barack Obama was nurtured under the tutelage of Henry Kissinger and weaned on the teachings of Saul Alinsky. Is it any wonder that he has ties to Rod Blagojevich, Tony Resko, and Jeremiah Wright to name just a few? My fellow Americans, PLEASE WAKE UP to the truth of what is happening to Our Great Nation! Our Federal Government has been Hijacked by Global Elitists in the Federal Reserve and their fellow travellers on Wall Street. Our Legislative Branch is controlled by Socialists who serve the interests of Unions and other Special Interest Lobbyists. Our Education System has been taken over by Social Engineers who would rewrite history and poison the minds of Millions of children for Generations to come.

    The Democratic and Republican paradigm is a smoke screen to DIVIDE Us as a Country. The Founding Fathers invisioned One Nation Under GOD Indivisible with Libery and JUSTICE for ALL.

    E Pluribus Unum

  9. Confound it DeMar I warned you in the Virginia Ratifying Convention that this very thing was going to happen if you people adopted that hair-brained Constitution that those incorrigible Federalists dreamed up. Likable fellow, that Madison chap, but it was nigh unto impossible to get him to listen to anything related to common sense.

    I guess you didn’t get it the first time so I’ll say it again. “In this scheme of energetic government, the people will find two sets of tax-gatherers — the state and the federal sheriffs. This, it seems to me, will produce such dreadful oppression as the people cannot possibly bear….Your rich, snug, fine, fat federal officers — the number of collectors of taxes and excises — will outnumber anything from the states, Who can cope with the excise men and the taxmen?” Those were my exact words. DeMar — did you get it?!? I’m not one to say ‘I told you so”, but ding-nab it ‘I told you so.”

    Come on DeMar, are you people ever gonna wake up. How long has it been now since the Convention? 234 years! Goodness how time does fly.

    That’s not all I said, either. I said, “Before the meting of the late Federal Convention at Philadelphia, a general peace, and an universal tranquility prevailed in this country, and the minds of our citizens were at perfect repose; but since that period they are exceedingly uneasy and disquieted….I conceive the republic to be in extreme danger….It arises from this fatal system….a proposal to change our government ….This proposal of altering our federal government is of a most alarming nature…you ought to be extremely cautious, watchful, jealous of your liberty; for instead of securing your rights, you may lose them forever….That this is a consolidated government is demonstrably clear; and the danger of such a government is, to my mind, very striking…”

    You weren’t payin’ attention that day at the Virginia Ratifying Convention were you DeMar? I saw you noddin’ off in the back row there. Or was that your great-great-great granddaddy — He was a little slow on the uptake too.

    DeMar, I think you need to spend a little time over on that America Betrayed website: They got it pretty well nailed down over there. One of them fellers even took the time to print up all of my speeches at the Virginia Ratifying Convention. That was mighty neighborly of them.

    But what good does it do if you people don’t read ‘em!! So get your self over there and read ‘em and this time pay attention, DeMar. Ya know I wouldn’t even bother with it If I didn’t think there was some hope for ya, DeMar. But don’t push your luck — I want to see you making some visible progress real quick like.

    Yours Cordially,

    Patrick Henry
    Anti-Federalist & Patriot

    PS: I’ll have to admit this internet contraption you people have jerry-rigged up is mighty handy. If I’d of had it in my day old Jim-Bob Madison never would have out-organized me at the Virginia Ratifying Convention. No Sireee. I’d have won and you people wouldn’t have been saddled with that ti-ranical Federalist Constitution all these years. Oh well.

  10. Skycruiser says:

    Yes, vote out the democrats and the rinos as well. Far too many republicans are no different then the democrats. But, we can't wait until November – the time is NOW. First fillibuster Kagan- absolutely necessary – then impeach Obama and charge him with treason. He vowed to uphold the constitution and he has broken that vow over and over and over. What he has done to Arizona is treason. He, himself is illegal, an unconstitutional president. Congress must remove him NOW. Then let the goofball stepping into his job know he has until November to reverse the healthcare bill that's unconstitutional, stop capntrade, rescind the nonsense Obama told NASA, and LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE. if he wants to do anything in government again.
    We must take to the streets, march to Washington – I'll need a walker or a wheelchair, but I'll go. Nothing illegal. No rioting. No violence. Just go, WE THE PEOPLE, go and make sure OUR EMPLOYEES – congress – do their job and remove the man according to our , OUR, constitution. That piece of paper that says WE give the orders.

  11. Randy says:

    A TRUE liberal believes that anyone who is UNWILLING to work should NOT receive a handout.

  12. Paul says:

    Repeal the law " if you are born in the United States, you are automatically a citizen." The United States of America is NOT my brother's keeper. God Bless America.

  13. Paul says:

    The law of the United States of America and the state of Arizona are NOT racial discrimation.The race has been identified. The illegal people have to be identified. Law enforcement have to ask one question. May I see your social security card? The illegals pay no taxes yet they have the benefits of law enforcement, fire protection, medical care, armed forces, use of parks and highways, paid for by others. Any money sent across the border never comes back. It is like throwing it away, lowering the value of the American dollar. They are never counted in American censuses for distribution of tax dollars, burdening communities and states. Let's get 'er done. GOD BLESS AMERICA

  14. AL DUHAN says:

    A quick preview. The country was screaming hatred remarks about Bush and the wars. Yet there double the killing of American armed forces and our Alia forces. The cost is screaming high, He fires a 4 star general because the general told the truth and Obama thought that he knew more then our generals. But to make it short, If he doesn't listen to Petraeus then Obama will certainly be our ( betray us ). There is no way a retard Kenyan can run an American War. Americans wake up and get him out in any way possible. We need to save our country. Al

  15. KJQ says:

    If a man will not work, neither shall he eat. 1 Th 3:10

    If you properly exegete this verse and the chapter it is in, you pretty much rule out most socialist ideas and practices.

  16. Dean von Germeten says:

    It sounds to me like Gary Demar has a problem with poor people and a love affair with rich people, which is the exact opposite of Jesus who he claims to've studied in Christian college. Further I've yet to find preaching (makin' money wif ma mouf') not unakin to modern-day "rappers" and a far cry from work, unless you consider corrosive, calculated rhetoric as defining the Word. He also loves to bang the drum of class warfare, maybe he's found that the rich give more at the collection plate? And after all, what middle-class we have left, all secretly long to be …bankers.

    But IF "The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else" (a point over which I vociferously disagree), then you better dig deep into your pockets to compensate all the native American and African slave ancestors with reparations, because you cannot just regauge when it suits your WASP fancy.

    The rich have a problem in that they deeply resent any free dollar that misses their own pocket for some poor person. By a poor person having anything, the rich person feels commensurately robbed; but that's a mere psychological condition of infantile ego (also known as tantrum) on the rich person's part. Clearly s/he is not hurting, but feels that dollars are the necessary tool for keeping score who is BETTER THAN the next person. Maybe that's why they call the poor "useless eaters." But at least we know which side of the spiritual divide Gary Demarr is on, and it ain't the Master. Remember Revelations, where it said a great delusion would deceive many, "even the elect." Gary would have you believe the great delusion is socialism (a mix of government policies that help
    the hungry and homeless) where I would assert it's a justification of selfishness. Shame on you Gary. May God reward your twisting his message with the full wrath He reserves for all false prophets!

    • Tell me, Dean, how are Americans alive today responsible for what happened to the native Americans who are no longer alive? Why should I and my parents be responsible when they immigrated to America after the atrocities against the natives actually happened?

      I'd also like to know how the government can give to another without first taking it from somebody else. It is either through direct taxation or through inflation by printing money. By printing money the government in effect makes what you currently have in money worth less. It steals the buying power of your earnings.

    • joechianakas says:

      This is by far the best comment on here, Dean. Excellently said. Time and time again, I encounter "religious" people who favor the wealthy, would rather help the rich than the poor, and attempt to use the Bible in some sick, twisted fashion to make those of us who do honestly care for the poor and needy feel bad.

      His points are generalizations, and his ideology represents a stereotypical, religious-right brain that cannot actually use logic, reason, and compassion to help those in our society who need it the most.

    • Leona says:

      Actually The. 10:3 says it best, however I can't help but question how you can view a factual statement and "vociferously disagree" with it. Where do you think that money comes from- do they harvest it off trees? To my knowledge, the quote says "The state cannot get a cent for any man without taking it from some other man, and this latter must be a man who has produced and saved it. This latter is the Forgotten Man"
      William Graham Sumner
      If the government confiscates my earnings to distribute to those who choose not to work, it certainly interferes with God's plan – he did, after all, "gift" us with free will. Therefore, it must be our choice to share – not the choice of anyone else. You can be "too rich" and you can be "too thin", and each of us is championed with the choices we make regarding God's blessings. Obviously you have not learned that people don't fit into neat little boxes – being rich does not make one evil and being poor does not bestow sainthood.
      Pray incessantly and listen for His reply, for only through Him will the true message be known.

  17. okar says:

    I think you'll find that a lot of democrats hate the five examples given to republicans just as there are republicans that hate the five examples given to democrats. I think these 10 examples would apply in certain conditions but not all. So I would say these are bogus examples that people are trying to put out there to create hate between the two parties. This should not be done. Our two party system has worked well since our beginning with checks and balances that has kept this country strong. People who try to cause friction are probably communist and don't like the two party system. The independent party is gaining strength and we might have a three party system at some time in the future. Some people are like me, who like some of the policies of both parties, but not all.

  18. p r barriball says:

    Two quotes to consider:
    - Lawlessness and distorted truth triumphs when political expediency becomes the decision maker

    - When the power of political payback becomes the leading driver in moving legislation we have reached a crisis point in our system of governance – collapse and failure are imminent

  19. robert sargent says:

    corruption is running to country.these congress men and women who lay wayed the oath to preserve and protect the constitution need to be honest person is hard to find.we must keep looking,for god and that i mean voting them out if they dont follow our it be democrate or republican.we wll not lose to evil,good will always win.

  20. Steve says:

    Regarding healthcare:

    The number 1 cause of bankruptcy is medical bills. With fewer and fewer companies providing health insurance, the burden on the working class is becoming greater .

    Companies in other developed nations that have a national healthcare system don't have the costs that our companies do, making it harder to compete.

    BTW, calling Obama's healthcare reform socialist is ludicrous. It is not govt. run and couldn't be more pro-business. Just think of all the new enrollees adding to thecorporate insurance companies' premium pool. And with fewer companies offering health insurance to employees, especially young workers entering the workforce, I for one welcome the provision to be able to add my 21 year old back onto my company plan until he is 26, or hopefully, moves ahead to a job wih more benefits.


    • susan nelson says:

      If the healthcare reform will not be govt runned,then why are they planning to fine people,if their coverage is not up to par ,with what they think it should be.Let me ask you a common sense question,if you owned a company who paid out 1000s in claims,then the govt steps in and says we'll take over,so your company wont have to put out the money.What would you do,wouldn't most companies drop the employees coverage so the company can save money?Course they would,why would anybody in their right mind want to pay out money claims,if they could get some gov't agency too pay for it.When you got the gov't telling you what kind,or how much coverage you need,what else would you call it, but govt healthcare.The obama healthcare was never about helping poor people get coverage,it's about once again,of the overreach of the gov't into affairs none of there business.This administration is about control of the american public,cradle to grave.If you can't see that then im truly sorry for you.

  21. B.J. Benbow says:

    Regarding the Antichrist: Diane wrote that the Antichrist might already be among us. It is so 1John 4:1-4 "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. HEREBY know ye the Spirit of God. Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: and every spirit that confesses NOT that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is NOT of God; and this is the spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come and even now ALREADY is in the world. People who look for oen man to be the A.C. do not understand Ephesians 6:10-13 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the RULERS (more than one) of the darkness of this world, against SPIRITUAL wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to stand the evil day, and having done all, to STAND.

    This is OUR commission to STAND against the anti-Christ spirit of unbelief. Stop being afraid of some flesh and blood myth conjured up by false prophets who write novels rather than teaching the gospel AS WRITTEN. No wonder we have lost our liberty to a world order as we were expecting some man to put a # in or forehead and hand. ..

    • susan nelson says:

      You are one of the few people that understand about the anti-christ,not being a real human being.There are only a few verses in the Bible that talk about it.As you stated in your above post,the the spirir of anti-christ was in the world at the time that Jesus lived,a spirit you cannot see,so people are looking for a person who will never appear in the flesh.

  22. Gene Weinfurther says:

    You liberals must hate your children and grandchildren because you are denying them a future. Are American's deaf, blind, or just stupid? You profess to love your children as you spoil them with material goods instead of values, ethics, and the price of freedom. The greatest nation the world has ever known just didn't happen. The finest young people we have are sacrificing their lives and talents to ensure the freedom that we enjoy. Answer these two questions. 1. Do you desire a country that allows a person to develop his/her talents to the best of their abilities as past generations have done in an atmosphere of freedom and competition? 2. Or, would you rather have our young people subservient to a socialistic government that kills all incentive? I believe that our greatest days lie ahead if we allow our young people to live and prosper in a free society!!

  23. Marie says:

    re: your comment that Christianity condones government healthcare. Your theology is flawed, and more closely matches that of Jeremiah Wright! Christ never intended for the government to be the charity arm of the people. He intended that each of us, because of our love of Him, would take care of our neighbor. What the government gives to one person, it has first taken (by the force of the government's power to incarcerate and other life-controlling sanctions) from another person. Remember the bible's admonition that if a man doesn't work, he ought not to eat. God does not condone the theft on another man's goods, whether the thief is a person or an institution representing persons. I am not for people starving- just for good local people to help, because they are the most knowledgeable about the problem causing the hunger, and can solve it most efficiently.
    If you look at history with an open, inquiring mind, you will see that an over-reaching government was the genesis of the problems, not the solution. Examples abound: Social Security (nothing more than a giant Ponzi scheme), welfare (has contributed more to the breakdown of the family and the resulting social ills of crime, illegitimacy, mental illness, etc.), Medicare (which has caused the artificial inflation of medical costs, and left out effective, affordable treatments). I could go on, but space limits. Government is generally not the solution, and has to be vigilantly limited in power (see the constitution) for the people to thrive in their rightful liberty.

  24. sol says:

    I am a naturalized citizen,went thru legal channels to become one,received an education,learned english and have been a productive citizen,i came here not speaking a word of english, and am not brilliant, so all these aliens can do it too ,am tired of paying for their schooling in their language,am tired of people who came to this country and dont respect the laws,and want to change ours to suit them,it is wrong, why does our gov weeken and allow this. we dont have a prez who listen to the people,there is a sinister side to him. WE HAS BETTER RISE AND FIGHT FOR OUR COUNTRY, i am too old now to start something, is there a strong LEADER somewhere in this country. WHERE ARE YOU? PLEASE STAND UP AND MAKE YOURSELF KNOWN,WE NEED YOU DESPERATELY

  25. David Spaulding says:

    i posted a comment on a different site that i think will be good here also i said that in 2012 we can cut the head off from the snake BUT THIS NOVEMBER WE CAN PULL HIS FANGS! SO GET OUT AND VOTE!

  26. Cutabove100 says:

    I sent a letter to Obama today, and this paragraph was in it. I hope you like it. One more thing, note my take on the letters of the word AMNESTY.

    Any comprehensive amnesty for illegal aliens is just plain wrong and goes against the wishes of the vast majority of the American people. 25 million Americans are either unemployed or cannot find a full-time job and they are depending on Congress to do the right thing and say "no" to amnesty. Please don't let us down. A M N E S T Y = A-liens M-andating N-aturalization E-culpation S-ocialism Tax-exemption Y-ankeedom from Americans and their heirs. Our Immigration laws were not written to give law breakers Amnesty because they demand it. What ever happened to my country's right to exist and be a Nation? Who are you to tell me that America is no longer a Sovereign Nation? If you are making this argument, then you have never been an American.

  27. msbetz says:

    Don't count on McCain!

  28. the Pauls says:

    short and concise and historically true. the group in DC have got to go so our grandkids won't say that history repeated itself while we were on the watch.

  29. looney says:

    We arn't beaten untill we're dead,and last time I checked, I was still breathing. SEMPER FI /AGAINST ALL ENEMIES-FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC-WE SHALL STAND.

  30. parnells says:

    listen up everyone! we have to fight these people that are trying to destroy our country! take charge campaign, in your spare time, and call it campaigning for america ( no obama ? no more, no more no more! my father used to say that there was nothing in life worth fighting for more than our country!and of course american values and family! he was a korean war vet! he is deceased now! but i know he would be shouting out to the top of his lungs at our administration, and everyone that represents us!!! god bless america!

  31. parnells says:

    do not forget to vote out a couple of republicans too!! mccain/arz, and graham/sc, and kyl, and snowe, and one other is behind obama for amnesty, and some of his other radical agendas,they think this will get them elected again, if they have illegals support! my congressman where i live (ms/gene taylor) is a good democrat, i correspond with him all the time, and he sends me letters agaisnt all this radical agenda! i have checked his voting out! and he is on our side!but we have childers, and thompson here in ms, they are not! they should be out! we need a website called screen our politicians, then all of us can go there and toss around what we find out! and what we know!

  32. Ron Figuly says:

    I am a student of the Book Rules for Radicals — Obama's textbook for acquiring power. The author , Saul Alinsky I don't believe he is destroying America. I believe he has destroyed America — past tense and compromised our balance of powers.
    Ii wish I had a solution, but I feel helpless. Impeachment may work, but I see no one following up to do it. I have been a Christian activist for almost 60 years and have accomplished so little. God bless those who have given their all.

    • David says:

      When the new Congress is seated in January 2011 there may be enough Constitutionally oreinted individuals in the House and / or Senate to simply NOT FUND the fiscally incompetent Obama administration and rubber stamp Congress. Thus there would be ample time to repeal the fiscally irrational absurdity compounded that is the Obama administratiion. Note well what Obama says. He rarely coordinates his actions with his speech. During his campaign he publically declared he is not NAIEVE! He also said he will negotiate with any world leader. Some of those individuals are less that conforming to the parameters of the normal in psychology. Obama is, in fact, naieve as to the existence of both history and abnormal psychology – which to a degree are a part of external reality.

  33. Steve says:

    Pardon my typos above!

    Id like to clarify that by progressive I mean politically, not Biblically. I characterize myself as being reformed theologically, enjoying the teachings of R.C. Sproul and Hank Hanegraaf.

    Yes the Democratic platform of abortion and homosexual rights are troublesome (I feel these are issues of the heart to be transformed an individual at a time) but I find the corporatist, wealthy elitist above all platform of the Republican party even more so, with a war against the middle class beginning with Reagan.

    I feel the Republican party uses these issues (guns, God, gays) as distractions and fear tactics as the only way to reel in middle class voters to vote against their own economic self interest.

    • Murfy says:

      Steve, since you are a political progressive and I'm in the travel business, I'll pop for a free flight. Sounds like you want to live in Russia, Cuba, or maybe Venezuela where the government can take care of you from cradle to grave. Let me know where you wish to live so I can make flight arrangements. You certainly don't belong in America. As a product of reform theology, I must ask if reverand Wright helped reform you? I'm sorry abortion & homosexual rights trouble you but I have a news flash for you — abortion is murder!! Just think Steve, if your mother decided she didn't want you, we wouldn't be chatting now would we. Homosexuals, gays, lesbians, transexuals, bi-sexuals, metrosexuals, urbansexuals, sexualsexuals all want to take over the world but they sure as hell won't be taking over my world. Regan created 20 million jobs. Can you explain how this is is an assualt on the middle class? Didn't think so! I suggest you rent the movie "dazed & confused" as I think it appropriate for your demeanor.

  34. AL DUHAN says:

    There is not much that I could add to above. It is inevitable that Obama, Reid & Pelosi must go. as someone stated at any cost. This is the most hated president, Black illegal that I have ever seen. I am sorry for the very good black people that will pay dearly for Obama's mistakes. He really is a very low life and if he had any brains or humane feelings he would resign or jump off a very high building. I prefer the later. Sorry But I do love many decent black people and have worked with them hand in hand. But this one will ruin it for the good. Al

  35. Steve says:

    Why are the Bible teachers I appreciate mostly right-wing nuts? Very disappointed to see this partisan drivel coming from Mr. DeMar and followed by lemmings.

    Why are so many Christians opposed to some form of national health care? didn't Jesus teach to help each other? Cons are all about selfishness and greed.

    Present day right-wing conservatives are the present day Pharisees and Sadduces. A real shame. Judgmental, hateful and would probably disassociate themselves from Jesus if he walked the earth.

    I'm prous to be a progressive Christian interested in the welfare of my fellow man, not in "more for me, every man for himself".


    • charlene melancon says:

      I am also a Christian but I don't believe in social justice. I have worked my entire career as a social worker with abused and neglected children. I give of my money and my time freely to help individuals that want to help themselves. I do not believe that the government using social justice or environmental justice as an excuse to take what others work so hard to attain and then distribute to those who don't as a dangerous precedent to losing our rights to a government that is ineffectual, bloated, ever growing, and extremely wasteful. I know many Bible teachers and they are not right wing nuts. Our president although American does not espouse American ideals such being a proud American who believes in our constitution and that our country was rooted in in Christian ideals.

    • Ridge Runner says:

      I'm prous to be a progressive Christian interested in the welfare of my fellow man, not in "more for me, every man for himself".

      You're welcome to be a "neighborly Samaritan" and help out fellow men in need. You will notice that the Samaritan did not insist that the innkeeper take in his charge for free, but paid for the wounded man's stay out of his own pocket. In the same way, don't count your support of "state enforced charity" by others as being neighborly in any godly way, but rather as supporting the "salvation state" in its usurpation of divine glory.

    • GloryBee says:

      Steve……………what planet do you live on and what Bible are you reading? There is a HUGE difference between being "judgmental, hateful and probably disassociate themselves from Jesus if he walked the earth" and actually LIVING by the Word of God. If our nation were to go strictly by what is taught in the Word, the churches would be taking care of the widows and orphans–not the government. All others would be working at what they do best…….NO WELFARE!!!!! Jesus told the parable of three men who were given talents–one was given 10, one was given 5, and one was given only 1. They were to go out and put these talents to good use. Two of the three men did as they were told and doubled what they were given. The last one hid his in the ground resulting in his talent being taken from him because of his disobedience. The taken talent was given to the one who had the original 10. "Talent" can easily be traced back to meaning a specific amount of "money". So how can you argue for the socialists' cause when God's Word gives specific examples that there has and always will be those who are wealthy and those who are poor? "To whom much is given, much is required"…………..I'm proud to be a CONSERVATIVE Christian who believes the government has been given WAYYYY too much power, who gives to her local church body so things can be put in the Biblical order, who is against national health care with every fiber of her being, who believes that if Christians continue to be oblivious to what God's Word REALLY says we can cash in our chips as we will lose a pearl of great price–our freedom!

    • Faith says:

      Dear Steve;

      Yes, you are quite correct as to Christs' teaching; however, you fail to recognize the 2nd greatest gift to us (the first being life itself). FREE WILL. It does the soul no good to recognize government as the "giver" which by necessity, takes Gods' place.

      We are to work and earn money so that we may give to those less fortunate. When we do we are blessed. When the government does this for us, we are slaves.

      The thugocrasy presently on display in our government is evil beyond words. While it places all people in slavery, it is founded on lies and the taking of our birthright….free will…is deplorable.


    • Denise Porter says:

      1 of 2) With all due respect, Steve…have you checked the theology & actual historical outcome of what political progressivism results in? Or its philosophical roots? I was once a proud, and 'open' progressive, too. And I deluded myself that my opinions & the Jesus of my imagination, and that of other finite men and lying spirits defined Christianity & salvation —rather than the crucified & resurrected Christ who was fully eternal God, yet fully man,incarnated in time-space reality; and revealed throughout Scripture: from Genesis to Revelation.

      Assuming that you are a Christian, saved from the wrath of God (that is due to the universal sin-guilt revealed by the Law) to mercy by faith in Jesus Christ & the redemption that came through Him, and that you are awaiting His return to finish us & to fully remove sin, to recreate the heavens & earth, and to judge by the Word He has spoken as the Bible teaches ———- to what are we 'progressing' towards?

    • Denise Porter says:

      2 of ? :-) Remember, we are to test the spirits, and there is only one right way. We can 'progress' toward righteousness & the obedient sharing of the Gospel, individual to individual; and individual stewardship of what God has entrusted to us —with our unity/collective model the Trinity (individual/family/church)—a realistically righteous one, with individuals rightly related to God & one another? (never perfect until His consummation due to remaining sin —even in Christians) ——————- Or are we 'progressing' toward some pantheistic imaginative religious ideal of an arbitrary manmade collective/kingdom Utopia that is energized & directed by some evolutionary, impersonal, finite 'force' that necessarily denies the God of the Bible ————along with the meaning, purpose, communication, and knowing that are only explained by His existance (I AM) and His Revelation?

    • Denise Porter says:

      3 of ? :-) Neither the syncretistic dialectic nor the materialistic evolutionary narrative are consistent with the biblical narrative —they cannot be harmonized. One must either choose Christ —with His Way necessarily following , defined by His character; or something else—with its way necessarily following its character; as their hope & salvation.

      BTW…'right wing nuts'…one of the defining moments for me in my conversion process was recognizing my own kneejerk judgmentalism & bigoted grouping of 'religious nuts' rather than checking the truth of their statements. Why was I so 'open' to everything from unbiblical Unitarianism & Shirley MacLaine spiritism to aliens from outer space 'seeding' the earth—–while having such a scornful, ugly & violent kneejerk reaction to biblical 'Jesus' talk?

    • Sunshine says:

      Yes, Jesus said to help each other. He DIDN"T say the government should be our go-between and take every ounce of common sense and our own right to decide who, how, where, and when to help others away from us.

    • Joyce from Loris says:

      Steve, you need to learn the difference in Charity and being forced to support other people. Give a Man a fish, you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, you feed him for the rest of his life. If you want to support these people who are not willing to take care of themselves, by all means do so. But most Americans are sick and tired of working like dogs, only to have the government take half of our money and give it to people who are only good for one thing, and that is breeding more just like them. Let Nancy Pelosi give her $35 million fortune to others. Let all the rich politicians give their millions to others, that is fine with me. But leave my money alone and allow me to be charitable to those I choose to. It's not charity when you are forced.

    • Michael G. says:

      Steve, you really don't sound like a Christian. You best go back to the Sermon on the Mount and re-read it carefully.
      Remember, you can stand in the garage all day and never become a car.

    • Wingnut says:

      Jesus did not teach that Rome or Jerusalem was to take care of us, but we are to take care of one another.

    • Bill says:

      Steve nobody objects to helping their fellow man they just don't believe it should be forced upon them by the Government. We are against national helath care because it hasn't worked anywhere in the world.

    • Robert Wood says:

      Is is called end times deception Steve, and, er, you have been deceived.

    • jsabrr says:

      Steve, all we need to do is to study the ancient Roman Empire. That says it all.
      "Gladiator" Should Remind Us of Lessons from Ancient Rome

    • Robert says:

      Whether it be the King James or the Amplified Version of the Bible or Jesus speaking or Paul the truth is still the truth no matter what…some called Jesus a Socialist and there are verses that can lead on to think that but…I believe the intent was for man to work by his own hands in this life and not be dependent upon others for his welfare
      1 Thessalonians 4:11
      Make it your ambition to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business and to work with your hands…..
      1 Thessalonians 5:12
      Now we ask you, brothers, to respect those who work hard among you, who are over you in the Lord and who admonish you.
      2 Thessalonians 3:10
      "If a man will not work, he shall not eat."
      Proverbs 12:11
      He who works his land will have abundant food, but he who chases fantasies lacks judgment.

    • Los says:

      One cannot be progressive and a christian Steve. You would kill Christ were he among us today and all you care about is your pompous little self — Who licensed you to care for “the welfare of your fellow man?” Self proclaimed savior? You reveal yourself in your short banter to be as pompous as the worst of them. Christ dealt out his healing hand based upon faith. Not a national healing system! And when ever did Christ pretend to heal someone while taxing him, his children, and their childrens’ children into oblivion? You support ObscumbagCare because you want to free care for yourself – greedy bastard!

    • Chuck Goff says:

      I do not believe it is my responsibility to support those who should be supporting themselves. The problem with christians is they believe their way is the only way. I do believe in helping those who help themselves, and I do believe it is the responsibility of each individual not to be a burden to the society in which they live. Are christians socialist? Why do I have to pay for health care for my family and then be asked to pay for someone elses. These are the things that lead to civil war, are you prepared?

  36. Tom H says:

    Couldn't have said it any better myself !!!!! Can't wait for November 2…..only 125 days to when we start correcting the mistake 53% of the voters made in November, 2008. Seen enough ? Vote every Democrat out. If you haven't seen enough yet, have another sip of Kool-Aid and DO NOT VOTE NOVEMBER 2 !!!!! Proud member of the 47% that didn't vote for the Obama Gestapo in November, 2008.

    • Faith says:

      We have witnessed Republicans assenting to the choices of radicals appointed to our Supreme Courts. Frankly, there IS very little difference to these 2 parties (it ain't a fun party either way). What we are witnessing is a killing of the America that was. This has been a slow death and now has accelerated; apparently to usher in the global community which will usher in a dictator and which necessitates the bringing down of our financial way of life in order to make us equal w/every despicable form of government which has kept its' people poor.

      All of you who espouse such loyalty to the Republicans, remind yourself of the opportunities they had to abolish the National Education (by far the most diabolical of the plans to keep Americans ignorant). They have had many opportunities to set America on its' proper course and have not done so.

      Really! Everyone in office at all levels of government and the military have taken an oath to uphold our Constitution and all have failed to keep that oath. Therefore, they should ALL be relieved of their positions. But alas, too many are looking at this through a narrow eyeglass.

      One reaps what one sows both individually and corporately. Hang on folks, we're in for one heck of a ride and it looks like in the "fun house".


    • E D Stewart Jr says:

      What in the world is a "progressive Christian"? Wait . . . I know . . . they are the members of the National Association of Evangelicaos''!!

  37. JAMES STEWART says:


  38. Janet Bell says:

    Mind if I send this clear, concise summation to everyone I know?

  39. i am not getting this healthcare they can take it and shove it.

    • Michael G. says:

      I'm concerned where they might 'shove it.' If they use themselves, they might ruin their own plumbing.

  40. Lyle says:

    While Mr. obama is setting the the Presidents office, (illegally by many definitions), he is trying to gut the American Dream and Amercia’s Christian Heritage while advancing the ultra left agenda.

    • sol says:

      This prez is is such an extremist,he is sinister,cant believe anything that comes out of his mouth,impeachment in order

    • Bill says:

      Not to mention advancing the muslim agenda.

    • marcel duranleau says:


  41. Christopher Myers says:

    Those who work for little or no compensation, against their will, are either prisoners or slaves. Progressivism ( as well as all of its closely associated ideologies)is purely
    an ideolgy which ebmraces slavery. Is it not ironic that our “Black President” is also our most “prgressive” politician?

    • Bob Madden says:

      "tis indeed ironic….prooves Murphy's Law….Never forget.."he who controls knowlege, controls the future!"
      Obama is a muslim at heart and will endure self-destruction with glee…."get your ticket at the station for the END of the line"

    • Patriot1775 says:

      The other problem is that our "Black President" is only 15% black.

  42. B Key says:

    Good going DeMar ..
    and another truth ….’ You shall know the truth , and that truth is Jesus Christ , and he will make you free..”
    the most mis-quoted scripture of all time …

    • Michael G. says:

      To continue with the scripture…"and if He sets you free, you will be free indeed."

      • Steve Hopper says:

        The actual quote (from John 8:31-32, NIV) is this: "To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, 'If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.' "

    • E D Stewart Jr says:

      It's misquoted because it's quoted by non-Believers who do not know Scripture. Scripture itself says that unbelievers do not understand it! I believe this group includes many who claim to be Evangelical, or are members of NAE.

  43. Dottie Prince says:

    These five truths are exactly why this administration MUST GO without further delay! We HAVE TO elect better senators and congressmen who will vote AGAINST Obama’s idiotic agenda before it is too late. I keep praying it is not too late already.

    • Robert Wood says:

      After appointing 30 plus czars and ramming healthcare and other debt exploding bills down our throats, I don't know if a republican majority would stop this wimp.

  44. Diane Rule says:

    All our problems started once Congress had a monopoly on left wing ideals. Now with a fake president who surely isn’t an American in any way…has broken all the rules of what a president is supposed to be to lead our country. The corruption, greed and desire for all power over our country will certainly be the end of our liberties…money…even our taking care of ourselves physically. I said a long time ago some one should put Obama out of his misery (you guess what I really mean) OR deport him to his true home land dear old Africa. Furthermore the ACLU, big unions taking over more & more each day and everyone is paying back all the favors shown to the president and the will of the people not to mention our safety and protection against the terrorists and silent muslims in our country just waiting for the go signal at any moment to get rid of us one way or another just like the Koran teaches. If you aren’t one of them…they are supposed to kill us. Did you ever know in their belief that Olah is the true God that the word LOVE is not in their thinking or training. My God the Alpha and Omega will have the finaly say and perhaps one day soon He will return in the air and all will know then that His judgment is going to fall immediately on all the unbelievers in His Son Jesus Christ. I am glad I had a good Christian childhood and the Bible says so much about what the end times will be like. One friend even said she wouldn’t be surprised if the Anti-Christ is alreay among us. Truly he hates the Jews and all who call themselves Christian. Americans need to pray harder than ever for our leaders and God’s intervention on what has happened to our nation. If this is not His will then we all are doomed to be a welfare state with big govt. calling the shots about our posessions and our bank accounts. Wake up America!!!

    • Dr. Brooks (ret.) says:

      "One friend even said she wouldn't be surprised if the Anti-Christ is alreay (sic) among us. Truly he hates the Jews and all who call themselves Christian."
      Why wouldn't "antichrist" or anyone else thus hate them? They are the root of most of the problems in the world today.
      All this rant about "my god is better than your god" never has gotten us anywhere, has it?
      Whatever is to come will be better for everyone and everything, as nature can then start over and maybe have a better chance of getting it right this time. This last attempt has failed dismally.
      The "good earth" is really the scorched earth, the victim of good intentions and science gone mad.
      I doubt that any future "creations" will accomplish anything differently than the alleged one we've experienced. Evidently we are the result of some mad scientist, whose experiments have brought no good, only evil and catastrophe for all.

      • Patriot says:

        Dr Brooks:
        You’ve read the wrong books in your life and you may pay dearly for that decision. The Bible states that “Every knee will bow and confess that Jesus is Lord”. Don’t forget that phrase when the time comes. It may save you.

    • Vern says:

      Fantastic statement!

    • gary stoner says:

      hooray,Diane!! feelings,and thoughts..exactely!!! i know all too well,that this america-hating man cannot possibly be of this great nation,with such views,as his!! send him back to his own third-world country,and let him and his thugs live in the land of what they wish our country to be!!! as for the rest of you…WAKE-UP !!!!!! '"remember..november!!!" gary r stoner


    • Bill says:

      Without the people in the Unions there would be no unions. Let's put the blame where the blame belongs. It is greedy people who joined unions for many reasons, Most of them to protect the non productive, under educated workers so they could earn big pay checks and not be fired or let go without commiting a major crime. It is greedy people that create unions. The people need to see Union leadership for what it is and stop paying those union dues so the unions can influence elections and buy big golf resorts in Michigan (home of the famous Auto unions. Unions are a thing of the past. They had a place and a time and that is over. It is time for unions to be dismantled. Look at GM for example. They had a non union car division called Saturn which was effective and produced a decent American car/. The government took over GM, handed the reigns to the union, and you guessed it. Saturn is no more. GM's problems wasn't that they couldn't make a decent automobile it was that the unions were running them into the ground. Now GM with the help of Obama is trying to do the same thing to the American taxpayer.

  45. Paul Costello says:

    Here’s 3 more—A Republican Congress—A republican Senate—–A Republican President, and Oh yes A giant Cross on the Front lawn of the whitehouse informing them this nation is a Christian Nation.

    • Gersheps says:

      Change the word "Republican" to "conservative" and you have it right!!

      • diverduck says:

        Right!! The principles of the people we elect and how strictly they will abide by their principles is much more important than political party. That being said, I don't expect too many democrats to actually exhibit the conservative principles that I want in Congress, but just electing more RINO republicans makes it look like republicans have NO principles … and it suggests there is little hope for our country.

        SO, get out and only support strong conservative candidates, even if they are from states or districts other than your own… let the RINOs live or die on their own. If incumbents are going to destroy our country, let the democrats do it. If the Republicans don't join in, then there will be some hope.

  46. ellie salza says:

    I'm retired, after working 53 years. I retired with good benefits from the company I was working for and now obama and
    his administration want me to pay for health care insurance, I'm not going to pay, I will take a penalty because they took all of my 401k plus my stocks. I am self supporting and cannot afford to pay for anything else. I've paid my dues, living with-in my means, so he and his administration can go to HELL.

  47. Elaine says:

    Simple truths! And exactly why the left rejects them.

  48. aseattleconservative says:


    • Dianne says:

      good for you Seattle conservative!

    • Loren says:

      My home state WASHINGTON ( born and raised in Longview) still allows a few conservatives to live there? You got guts friend.

  49. Vern says:

    Big Daddy you are just like the rest of the Democrats. When the Republicans were in charge every
    thing was going alone fine, Unemployment was around 5%, stockmarket was around 14,000, and then, and
    then, and then, the Democrats took over in 2006 and everything went to hell in a hand bag. And then you nuts
    put a person in the White House that should have been in jail in Chicago.

  50. BigDaddy44 says:

    Vern, I am neither Dem. or Rep. In another life, I was involved in Rep. politics from the local level to the state level. My Rep. credentials were never questioned. I was a good and faithful party worker. I ran for public office four time and was elected three times, all under the Rep. banner. So, do not call me a Democrat. Also, do not call me a Republican. I am an equal opportunity hater; I hate both parties. I do not even vote anymore with the exception of local bond elections; I vote against any and all of them. I do not care how much "good" is promised to be done with the additional stolen money. I'm against all theft.

    I forgive you for calling me that nasty name.

    All I want my government to do is LEAVE ME AND MINE ALONE.

  51. Mary says:

    That's exactly what I was going to tell this idiot Christian, He probably voted for Carter, too. Some Christians are so heavenly minded that they're no earthly good.

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