I knew it would happen. The latest incident in Israel has brought out the prophetic speculators again. “A council of rabbis in Israel says their nation’s conflict with Turkey over a flotilla of ‘aid’ ships headed for the blockaded Gaza Strip controlled by the terrorist Hamas organization just may be the beginning of the ‘Gog and Magog process where the world is against us, but which ends with the third and final redemption’” (see here). Picking up on the story, Christian prophecy speculator Joel Rosenberg takes a similar position but with some caution:
There is growing interest in the Ezekiel prophecies and whether they could play out in our lifetime. I believe it is still too early to say anything definitively. But I agree that current events are strikingly consistent with the prophecies and I believe it is possible that we could see these events unfold soon. The mention of “Gomer” in Ezekiel, for example, refers to the modern-day State of Turkey which will be an enemy of Israel and part of a Russian-Iranian alliance against the Jewish state. I’m not saying the prophecy will necessarily come to pass soon, but I can’t rule out that possibility. We’ve never seen a convergence of geopolitical and spiritual events so consistent with Ezekiel 38–39 in history like we are seeing today (see here).
One of the arguments used to futurize Ezekiel’s prophecy 2600 years from the time it was written is the claim that the Hebrew word rosh in Ezekiel 38:2–3 and 39:1 sounds like Russia. So then why doesn’t “Gomer” sound like some modern-day nation? Why Turkey? If God wanted to identify Turkey 2600 years ago, then why didn’t He use some sound-alike word that would identify modern Turkey? The same is true of the other nations listed in Ezekiel.
There is no need to speculate beyond the historical boundaries of Ezekiel’s day to force the names of these ancient nations to find a place on a modern-day map and conform to today’s geo-political landscape. Iain Duguid’s comments are helpful in accounting for the historical realities of Ezekiel’s prophecy:
[Gog] is the commander-in-chief ([chief prince]) of a coalition of forces gathered from the ends of the earth. He himself is from the land of Magog, and he rules over Meshech-Tubal. His allies include Persia, Cush, and Put (38:5), along with Gomer and Beth Togarmah (38:6). It is no coincidence that together these make up a total of seven nations, and it is significant that they are gathered from the uttermost parts of the known world to the prophet. Meshech-Tubal, Gomer, and Beth Togarmah come from the North, Put (Northwest Egypt) and Cush (southern Egypt) from the south and west, while Persia is to the east of Judah.[1]
Ezekiel was given a revelation that was describing his world. You don’t have to be a biblical scholar to figure this out. The people making up these nations were alive and well and living in proximity to Israel in Ezekiel’s day. There is no question about this claim. There is no way to refute it. To maintain that the nations that attack Israel are nations in our day is not allowing the Bible to speak for itself. “To seek the fulfillment in the dark region of the end of the days,” Ernest Hengstenberg (1802–1868) writes, “is the less possible, because most of the nations named either no longer exist, or are no longer heathen. Magog, Gomer, Meshech and Tubal, Phut, Sheba, and Dedan, are no more to be found”[2] on any modern map.
If the battle described in Ezekiel 38–39 does not refer to modern-day nations that will attack Israel, then when and where in biblical history did this conflict take place? Instead of looking to the distant future or finding fulfillment in a historical setting outside the Bible where we are dependent on unreliable secular sources, James B. Jordan believes that “it is in [the book of] Esther that we see a conspiracy to plunder the Jews, which backfires with the result that the Jews plundered their enemies. This event is then ceremonially sealed with the institution of the annual Feast of Purim.”[3] Jordan continues by establishing the context for Ezekiel 38 and 39:
Ezekiel describes the attack of Gog, Prince of Magog, and his confederates. Ezekiel states that people from all over the world attack God’s people, who are pictured dwelling at peace in the land. God’s people will completely defeat them, however, and the spoils will be immense. The result is that all nations will see the victory, and “the house of Israel will know that I am the Lord their God from that day onward” (Ezek. 39:21–23). . . . Chronologically this all fits very nicely. The events of Esther took place during the reign of Darius, after the initial rebuilding of the Temple under Joshua [the High Priest] and Zerubbabel and shortly before rebuilding of the walls by Nehemiah. . . . Thus, the interpretive hypothesis I am suggesting (until someone shoots it down) is this: Ezekiel 34–37 describes the first return of the exiles under Zerubbabel, and implies the initial rebuilding of the physical Temple. Ezekiel 38–39 describes the attack of Gog (Haman) and his confederates against the Jews. Finally, Ezekiel 40–48 describes in figurative language the situation as a result of the work of Nehemiah.[4]
Ezekiel 38:5–6 tells us that Israel’s enemies come from “Persia, Cush, and . . . from the remote parts of the north. . . ,” all within the boundaries of the Persian Empire of Esther’s day. From Esther we learn that the Persian Empire “extended from India to Cush, 127 provinces. . .” in all (Esther 8:9). Ethiopia (Cush) and Persia are listed in Esther 1:1 and 3 and are also found in Ezekiel 38:5. The other nations were in the geographical boundaries “from India to Ethiopia” in the “127 provinces” over which Ahasueras ruled (Esther 1:1). “In other words, the explicit idea that the Jews were attacked by people from all the provinces of Persia is in both passages,”[5] and the nations listed by Ezekiel were part of the Persian empire of his day. The parallels are unmistakable (There are many more parallels that can be found in my book Why the End of the World is Not in Your Future.) Even Ezekiel’s statement that the fulfillment of the prophecy takes place in a time when there are “unwalled villages” (Ezek. 38:11) is not an indication of a distant future fulfillment as Grant Jeffrey attempts to argue:
It is interesting to note that during the lifetime of Ezekiel and up until 1900, virtually all of the villages and cities in the Middle East had walls for defense. Ezekiel had never seen a village or city without defensive walls. Yet, in our day, Israel is a “land of unwalled villages” for the simple reason that modern techniques of warfare (bombs and missiles) make city walls irrelevant for defense. This is one more indication that his prophecy refers to our modern generation.
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Ezekiel’s reference to “dwell safely” and “without walls . . . neither bars nor gates” refers precisely to Israel’s current military situation, where she is dwelling safely because of her strong armed defense and where her cities and villages have no walls or defensive bars. The prophet had never seen a city without walls, so he was astonished when he saw, in a vision, Israel dwelling in the future without walls. Ezekiel lived in a time when every city in the world used huge walls for military defense.[6]
In Esther we learn that there were Jews who were living peacefully in “unwalled towns” (KJV) (9:19) when Haman conspired against them. Israel’s antagonists in Ezekiel are said to “go up against the land of unwalled villages” (Ezek. 38:11). The Hebrew word perazah is used in Esther 9:19 and Ezekiel 38:11. This fits the conditions of Esther’s day. Jeffrey is mistaken in his assertion that “Ezekiel had never seen a village or city without defensive walls.” They seemed to be quite common outside the main cities. Moreover, his contention that Israel is currently “dwelling safely because of her strong armed defense” is patently untrue. Since 2006, the Israeli government has built more than 435 miles of walls in Israel.
There are many more parallels between Ezekiel 38–39 and Esther, Ezra, and Nehemiah. I had one emailer argue with me over the above summary interpretation. He fed me all the standard end-time arguments that are popular with interpretations of Ezekiel 38–39. When I told him to purchase my book Why the End of the World is Not in Your Future and offer a detailed response, he wrote the following: “I’m not buying prophecy books just now, but I will accept a complimentary copy for review.” This is a person who is not serious about Bible study. He’s afraid of what he will find. He wanted to know if I belonged to the “Allegorism school of interpretation” that dismisses a literal interpretation. As I show in my book, I am very literal. I don’t turn horses into “horsepower, bows and arrows into “launching pads” and “missiles,” or chariots into tanks. When the text says “to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods” (Ezek. 38:13), it means silver, gold, cattle, and goods (Ezra 1:4) and not natural gas, potash, or oil.
He and many others like him have adopted a system of interpretation that locks him into a theology of irrelevance. Here is his final comment to me: “Things are winding up very rapidly these days.” Yes they are. We are witnessing the end of humanism. Either get on board to make it happen through the preaching of the gospel, applying the Bible to every area of life, and building an alternative society when the inevitable collapse comes or get out of the way. There won’t be a “rapture” to rescue you. Deal with it.
Endnotes:- Iain M. Duguid, Ezekiel: The NIV Application Commentary (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1999), 448. [↩]
- E. W. Hengstenberg, The Prophecies of the Prophet Ezekiel Elucidated, trans. A. C. Murphy and J. G. Murphy (Edinburgh: T. & T. Clark, 1869), 331. [↩]
- James B. Jordan, Esther in the Midst of Covenant History (Niceville, FL: Biblical Horizons, 1995), 5. [↩]
- Jordan, Esther in the Midst of Covenant History, 7. [↩]
- Jordan, Esther in the Midst of Covenant History, 7. [↩]
- Grant R. Jeffrey, The Next World War: What Prophecy Reveals About Extreme Islam and the West (Colorado Springs, CO: WaterBrook Press, 2006), 143, 147–148. [↩]




Gary DeMar, What is the full title of your latest book on Christian eschatology and Bible prophecy, and where can we order a copy. Is it available on Amazon.com? That is where I order books. God bless you. And God bless America. Come Lord Jesus, bless America and Americans every day. And God bless all the nations of the world; and God deliver the Church from the sword of Islam. Amen. In Erie PA USA Scott R. Harrington
In Ezekiel 11, Ezekiel has a vision. It causes him to cry out to the Lord not to make a full end of the 'remnant' there in Jerusalem. The Lord tells him that the remnant is not in Jerusalem, but is the captive nation of Israel that is now in Bablyon. God tells Ezekiel that the remnant has been scattered among the nations, and WILL gather the people "from the countries where you have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel."
What a miracle the Jews are! Israel is a nation once again after 2,700 years! No other people group has been unchanged for over 4,000 years whether they are in India, China, Poland or Brooklyn. I am a Gentile believer, following the Jewish Messiah- another miracle… that God would graft a wild branch on to the true vine! God's promise to Israel is not yet completed. We are witnesses to the truth of God's Word and the unfolding of remaining promises & prophecies. Surely the Lord will, " give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within them, and take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, that they may walk in My statutes and keep My judgments and do them; and they shall be My people, and I will be their God. "
Lovely…..there is nothing like an article that starts out strong, with clear lines of position….and dwindles down to the point, I just do not know where you stand or what you think on the matter you originally started out with…."It could be, but I doubt it, although I take it literal, it's all about gold and silver and not potash or oil…….where did the subject of Gog and MaGog go??…………..Hoping and Praying ??? …how about just trace factually of "Is this the Gog and Magog??
The failure to distinguish between the UN created Zionist state of Israel and biblical Israel is critical error. Even the Rabbi’s teach that biblical Israel ended in A.D. 70. There may be a few pure bloodline Jews in the world, but no one can even prove that because the Temple records were destroyed and that alone was the source of proof.
It should be noted that there are orthodox Jews today who abhor the Zionist state and they are among those sending relief to Gaza. Read more at http://www.nkusa.org .
Proper understanding of eschatology impacts our understanding of at least 1/3 of the scripture so to say that studying it isn’t important is woefully naive. Most Christians today can’t answer the number one question asked by Jew, atheists and other detractors of our faith, “Christ said he would come before all those who heard him died. You agree with me that didn’t happen. He was wrong. He was a false prophet, at best. Why serve him?”
C. S. Lewis called this “very embarrasing” in his essay, “The World’s Last Night”. At least he was honest enough to recognize that biblical scholarship agrees the scripture teaches a first century fulfillment. Many today refuse to even recognize that, much less respond to it.
Jim
I find your statement, "Christ said he would come before all those who heard him died" interesting. But I am not sure which Scripture you are referring to. I assume you are referring to Matt. 24:30 ff, and vs. 34.
Vs. 30 states: "at that time the sign of the Son of Man" does not mean that He is coming back to earth at that time.
Josephus tells of signs during the seige of Jerusalem, even of armies marching among the clouds of heaven.
I would not say that this was in fulfillment of the prophecy of the Son of Man coming in the clouds, perhaps this did not even happen.
The generation then living was and did see the destruction of the Temple and Jesus prophecy was fulfilled.
My eight years of seminary have taught me one truth; No amount of "higher interpretation" will ever replace Spiritual discernment, fasting and prayer when attempting to understand God's word. Remember, The Bible tells us that "no scripture is for private interpretation, but Holy Men wrote as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. We should venture into this awsome task with fear and reverance.
@ Rev Mike – where does the Biblical authority come from to invoke “double reference” for prophecies concerning “end times” events? There have been symposia on dual and multi-fulfillments of prophecy (i.e. the apotelesmatic principle) and still it remains a controversial subject. Many still consider it just another man-made interpretation with no scriptural backing.
Your quotes on Isaiah 61:1 -2 and Luke 4:18 -19 are spot-on. But there is a piece missing. As I have it, and many futurists concur, Matt 24, Luke 21 and Mk 13 all describe the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple which happened in 70 AD. However Luke 21: 22 provides the context in which your quotes must be understood i.e. “For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled” i.e. the destruction of Jerusalem and its temple in 70 AD was that judgment. While it is true, as you state, that the LORD Jesus did come to offer Himself as a sacrifice to redeem the faithful remnant, He also came to execute judgment on the disobedient and unfaithful majority of what remained of the Israelites as He had promised in Deut 28 and Lev 26.
When were these days of judgment? The following verses clearly indicate that this would happen in the lifetime of those whom He was speaking to in Matt 16.27, 28, Mk 8: 38 & Mk 9:1 (these verses not being the transfiguration as some have it as it is clear that the LORD Jesus was coming to affect judgment i.e. “…and then He shall reward every man according to his works”), Mk 16.62 , John 21.22 and Matt 10.23.
I concur with you when you say “GOD DOES NOT MAKE MISTAKES”. It is we who make the mistakes when we do not take His words at face value. The above-mentioned verses all describe that He would come in that generation’s lifetime.