Obama Begins Covert Attack on Second Amendment

Obama has apparently taken a step to disarm America, according to a document that has been leaked. The step is strategic and very cunning: begin with the military.

Access the document here.

The document reveals a proposal to force all military personnel to register all firearms—even privately owned firearms that are kept in their private residences. It would force a regular inventory of all such firearms concurrent with the regular inventories of military weapons.

Soldiers maintaining privately owned firearms in their private residences, off base, would be required to keep their weapons in locked containers or with trigger locks, unloaded, and have the ammunition secured separately from the weapon in a locked container.

The proposal calls for a complete prohibition of concealed carry of any weapon—even folding knives with blades 3 inches and larger—while on base. This prohibition will override state and county permits for concealed carry.

Personnel will be required to request in writing for permission to keep privately owned weapons off-base. Privately owned weapons and ammunition kept on-base must be kept in a monitored room and can be accessed only with approval of a commander.

While all this is bad enough in itself, the fear is that once enacted, such regulations could be used as a precedent for civilian infringements as well. “If this arms law is good enough for the military.…” Let’s stop them before they have the precedent. Please forward this to everyone you know, and anyone you believe may have influence: lawyers, NRA officials, GOA, press outlets, news organizations, representatives, etc., etc.

I believe the document is legitimate. While I cannot vouch for this 100%, I can say that it came from a source within the military.

Access the document here.

Article by Joel McDurmon

Joel McDurmon Joel McDurmon, M.Div., Reformed Episcopal Theological Seminary, is the Director of Research for American Vision. He has authored four books and also serves as a lecturer and regular contributor to the American Vision website. He joined American Vision's staff in the June of 2008. Joel and his wife and three sons live in Dallas, Georgia.
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182 Comments

  1. Johnny Glock says:

    WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAP. See this for what it is. Nobama is afraid of our military. Not the new brain washed kids, but the older NCO's & Officers who know what their Oath means. This Guy has something planned, and he is afraid the military will not go along with his planes, Maybe Martial Law so he can become the D.I.C. Dictator in Charge.
    This is no less than Firearm Registration. He is starting with the military who will obey his orders. He knows he cna't control us old retired farts. He is afraid of that.

    Johnny Glock

  2. Lowell says:

    Personal firearms on Post must be registered through the Provost, this has been that way since i can remember. However, there is no doubt Obama wants to take away our firearms. He has said over and over that his goal is to transform America. He wants a socialist utopia, however, he will never get my firearms. Good luck..I say.

    Vote Republican in November like your life depends on it, it very well may.

    • Lynda says:

      But beware of the progressive republican. Mike Enzi of Wyoming, and Kaye Bailey Hutchinson of Texas are 2 examples. There are more.

    • Charles Walts says:

      Hey Obama: Molon Labe — Come and get them

    • E D Stewart Jr says:

      I am a Christian, and only vote Republican where there is no candidate running from the Constitution Party (www.constitutionparty.com).

    • You said exactly what I was thinking in reading all of this. Our weapons are registered already and have always been. Even when you move, the information goes with you that you own or owned the weapon. And I completely concur about voting republican…. it is the military way. Democrats dont have a very good standing with the military and havent for quite a while.

    • Mark says:

      I am ex AF Security Police and NRA member and concur 100%

  3. I hate to pop your bubble but most of that has been enacted since the 70's on military bases.

    • JERRY COBLE says:

      I BEG TO DIFFER, I SPENT Years at Fort Bragg N.C. NEVER ONCE did I Register a weapon. I spent Two Years ON Post at West Point N.Y. NEVER Once did I register a weapon..

    • CSM (Retired) USSF says:

      For the army: Only personnel living in the barracks or personnel living in military family quarters had to register private weapons with the provost marshal's office in the past. Those categories of personnel were supposed to keep their weapons in the unit arms room. None of us wanted people fooling around with our privately owned guns in the arms room, nor did we want to deal with limited access to our privately owned weapons. To get around it, most of us just kept our weapons at a friend's house off post and never mentioned it.

      Personnel living off post were not required to register weapons or keep weapons on post.

      What I see as the new and different part is the gov trying to make all military personnel on or off post register the weapon with the provost marshal's office and keep it locked in a container with trigger locks and seperate from ammunition. Which is a violation on the govs part.

      This is part of disabling the military to make an organized move against a way out of line gov…

  4. I hate to pop your bubble but most of that has been enacted since the 70's on military bases.

  5. c.d.rayborn says:

    From a song -Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition,and we'll all stay free.NUFF SAID.

  6. Johnny Johnson says:

    Has anyone taken the time to ask by what authority Obama:

    1: Can Totally Seal all records of his Qualifications to sit in the office he holds?
    2: Can Wipe Clean All Records of His Past without answering why?
    3: Can Tell American Industry Where They can Drill?
    4: Can Tell America it is none of our business who visits the White House?
    5: Can Tell America Who is Too Big to Fail and Use Your Money to Bail?
    6. Can prohibit the orderly control and lawfull protection of our Borders?
    7. Can Convince America the 2nd Amendment Can Be Cancelled?

    The answer to all of the above and more is:
    THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH DOES NOT HAVE THAT AUTHORITY!

    Only a Dictator Can Operate the Way We are Observing!

    If Barack Hussein Obama is the Enemy Placed Among Us
    ………… …. the sooner we find the answer, either way, the more
    Secure Our Country Will Be!!!

    • Barbara Wierenga says:

      Obama is an enemy among us with an agenda to take America down however he can do it. I can't believe our elected officials let him get away with what Obama is doing! We need lots of guns and ammunition in every home to defend our nation from our government I'm afraid! We need to impeach him now! He won't stop until we get him out!

    • Barbara Wierenga says:

      Obama is an enemy among us with an agenda to take America down however he can do it. I can't believe our elected officials let him get away with what Obama is doing! We need lots of guns and ammunition in every home to defend our nation from our government I'm afraid! We need to impeach him now! He won't stop until we get him out!

    • marcel M Duranleau says:

      Stanly Ann Dunham Obama Soetoro deaceased social security number 535-40-8533. Why and who is using
      her social security number? Good question. Mr. Johnny Johnson do you know that person? I do.

    • JOHN says:

      I do not understand why these very important questions are not being asked by our so called CONSERVATIVE WATCH DOGS. I find fault with Bill O' reily on fox news. He claims to have the guts to say what has to be said.
      He is just to full of himself to really look for the truth . He is a bunch of talking points that add up to bull crap.
      The 7 questions you have asked ,if answered ,can rid us of this enemy in the white house.

      • SEIGRELLA says:

        If all of that is true, howcome he has not been impeeched and incarcerated? He cannot be that powerful as to be able to override our Laws so batantly. I am sure that the military would not allow this.

      • Teresa says:

        I stopped watching Fox, I had a argument with one of the Moderaters on Fox they told me I was crazy that their was no such thing as agenda21 and I needed to see a shrink. I would not back down. This country is in big trouble and Fox does not report everything. If a Muslim owns part of Fox thats IS the problem…Fox is moving away from conserv. thinking. Many Repubs. are Rhino left thinking… anyway that is the major problem and they have no fight in them or do not care. We the people are in huge trouble. Our constitution is gone it is a shell now. Our”Dear Leader” is the enemy within.

  7. Buddy says:

    I hope all the stupid liberals wake up before the commie muslim sob Obama turns this country into a muslim nation. Every one should be stocking up on ammo before its too late

  8. T Lopes says:

    Everything that this administration has done has served to strip, erode or subvert the Constitutional rights of it's citizens. All of this is being done by the book in the name of "social justice". Unfortunately, the book they follow is Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals!! Fortunately, there is a very large majority of law-abiding citizens who take their 1st and 2nd amendment rights very seriously and will do whatever is necessary to protect and defend these rights. Wake up America!! "It is EVERY Patriotic American's duty to expose, expel and eradicate Marxist Socialism in America"!!

  9. American patriot says:

    I personally don't think most of Congrss or the Senate has ever read the Constitution, let alone follow it. They think they are above the law. Obama and all the left want to create a nanny state and be able to dictate to the "peons" what we can and cannot do.

  10. Gerald A. Reason says:

    These regulations have been in effect since before I was on active duty in the late 1960's. This is just a revision of the existing AR and appears to be making little real change. It should be noted that this "leak" could be just a "red haring." While we are concentrating on this, the anti-Second Amendment (Anti Constitution for that matter) administration is moving towards signing the UN Treaty on Gun Control. If this treaty is signed AND APPROVED BY THE SENATE, we will have lost all rights to own private fire-arms. Even though the Constitution states that IT is the “Law of the Land.” The present Supreme Court can not be counted on to rule a treaty as being in violation of that Constitution, even when it demands the nation go against it. The only hope for us now is that the people of America wake up and see what is going on and that we vote out the Socialist, One World Government, elements that permeate Washington politics today.

    • It is my understanding that current regulations don't include registering fire arms and weapons you keep a your off-post residence. This revised regulation would force you to register your firearms even if they were/are never brought on the military installation.

    • It is my understanding that current regulations don't include registering fire arms and weapons you keep a your off-post residence. This revised regulation would force you to register your firearms even if they were/are never brought on the military installation.

    • LRK says:

      According to Snopes, the information about the UN Treaty isn't true…the US didn't sign it…but it could happen, then like you say, we have the issue of possibly being forced to comply although it is unconstitutional; while supposedly, our Constitution supercedes any international law. In any case, with all of these types of issues, you are right, the only way to really do something about retaining our liberties is to inform the 70% or so conservative majority of this nation, get them involved, then actively demand better representation…at the polls. Remember the Whiskey Rebellion…armed opposition to the government will not be tolerated even by the president most committed to liberty, and at this point any form of violent protest would almost certainly give way to martial law.

  11. Sireta says:

    You are right in everything you say Rob …. except our grandchildren won't ever read about it in the history books, any more than they are taught about the Constitution in school right now. We all need to repeat every day to everyone we see …. SOCIALISM IS NOT FREEDOM.

    • Kauni says:

      Many of us are awake!….it only took 5% of the population to create the new Republic in 1775….We're working hard…every hour of the day….We will make up for the tards that continue to plug into their Ipods, etc….Tenacity, character, money, ,knowledge of our rights, and the ability to fire treasonous politicians and judicial for high crimes and misdemeanors….

    • Kauni says:

      Many of us are awake!….it only took 5% of the population to create the new Republic in 1775….We're working hard…every hour of the day….We will make up for the tards that continue to plug into their Ipods, etc….Tenacity, character, money, ,knowledge of our rights, and the ability to fire treasonous politicians and judicial for high crimes and misdemeanors….

    • Robert Nipper says:

      Anyone who studies History, and I'm not talking about the garbage they are feeding our children now, will remember that the first thing Hitler went after to take power was the guns! Then, he kept repeating his beliefs over and over again to the German people. The lies and deception became reality. Sound familiar? That is what Obama is doing right now in America! He spins every issue, always blames others for failures, and repeats it over and over so we will eventually believe it! He's good! He has Marxism down pat and we better become cognizant of that fact!

  12. Rob Novack says:

    Who cares what this circus clown Obama says or does? The US Constitution is the supreme law of the land no matter what Obama, Pelosi or Reid think. If the American people don't get their heads out of you know where and make a stand for freedom, there won't be an American Republic any more. We got what we deserve because we have become lazy, apathetic and brainwashed by the boob tube and drugs. This is a result of what was started many decades ago by traitors in our own country. If we do anything in our lives, for God's sake, save freedom for your children or they will only read about it in government history books. FREEDOM IS NOT FREE. Don't let our great country become a memory because YOU were too lazy, afraid and stupid to take a stand for something so many have died to preserve. Just how small are you? I for one, will NEVER have that on my conscience. May God preserve and protect yhis republic.

    • Wil Cruz says:

      I have tried numerous times to give you thumbs up and an error report comes up saying I have already voted…this survey is fixed to only take what they want to hear.

    • Rumple Stiltskin says:

      And what will you do when the Dictator-in-Chief nullifies and makes void 'the Constitution" ?? Dictators have been known to do that……..ya think ?????

    • Rumple Stiltskin says:

      And what, pray tell have you done to advance the cause of freedom in the USA ??

    • Rumple Stiltskin says:

      And what will you do when the Dictator-in-Chief nullifies and makes void 'the Constitution" ?? Dictators have been known to do that……..ya think ?????

    • Terry Knight says:

      Rob, my brother…You seem to really understand the current threats to the Republic. Keep speaking your mind, as I do and hopefully, we will win over enough to vote these evil doers out of office. God save the Republic.
      Regards, Terry K.

  13. Rob Novack says:

    Who cares what this circus clown Obama says or does? The US Constitution is the supreme law of the land no matter what Obama, Pelosi or Reid think. If the American people don't get their heads out of you know where and make a stand for freedom, there won't be an American Republic any more. We got what we deserve because we have become lazy, apathetic and brainwashed by the boob tube and drugs. This is a result of what was started many decades ago by traitors in our own country. If we do anything in our lives, for God's sake, save freedom for your children or they will only read about it in government history books. FREEDOM IS NOT FREE. Don't let our great country become a memory because YOU were too lazy, afraid and stupid to take a stand for something so many have died to preserve. Just how small are you? I for one, will NEVER have that on my conscience. May God preserve and protect yhis republic.

  14. Rob Novack says:

    Who cares what this circus clown Obama says or does? The US Constitution is the supreme law of the land no matter what Obama, Pelosi or Reid think. If the American people don't get their heads out of you know where and make a stand for freedom, there won't be an American Republic any more. We got what we deserve because we have become lazy, apathetic and brainwashed by the boob tube and drugs. This is a result of what was started many decades ago by traitors in our own country. If we do anything in our lives, for God's sake, save freedom for your children or they will only read about it in government history books. FREEDOM IS NOT FREE. Don't let our great country become a memory because YOU were too lazy, afraid and stupid to take a stand for something so many have died to preserve. Just how small are you? I for one, will NEVER have that on my conscience. May God preserve and protect yhis republic.

  15. CPT patriot says:

    ALCON,
    This is a proposed revision to current policy, which is why you see all the lines and corrections thru it. The driving force behind all of it is the Ft. Hood Shooting in november. Big Army thinks more rules will make people safer, which is stupid, it only makes careers safer, not Soldiers The key to fixing the disaster the federal gov't has become is to vote out all democrats this fall & lean like hell on the repubs to fix it & hold them acc'table when they dont by putting new repub's in their place. Proper elected leaders can make the military fix their rules of no guns on post once the democrats are gone.

    • leisureal says:

      Do you really think more laws are going to help. My understanding is that currently no weapons allowed on base-which I think is NUTS- and why do you think the Fort Hood shooter was able to kill so many-until the local police arreived-with weapons? If military personnel had weapons, I bet they would have taken care of him.
      I do not believe anyone-including the military- should have the right to violate a person's right to bear arms.
      I damn sure don't think a Muslim, Marxist, Anti-American like Obummer should be able to take away our rights that are guaranteed by our Constitution.
      Perhaps the new book( THE MANCHURIAN PRESIDENT)-already No. 1 on the Best Seller List-in it's first week out will open up somebody else to have the guts to take action against him !

      • Mountain Man says:

        Any time someone sets up a 'Gun Free' zone (aka 'Free Kill' zone), they are telling the bad guys they can take as long as they like and kill as many as they like. I was amazed atthe Ft Hood shooting, with a group that could easily have taken the Muslim Terrorist out, but then found out the stupidity of the military setting up a free kill zone. Such gun-free zones don't work for schools, shopping centers, churches or military bases. When will the anti-gun types learn that the best way to stop such free killings is to have armed and trained folks available to defend themselves and others? We know about Va Tech, but about the same time therewere two fellows at the Univ of Va took out a person, by not allowing themselves to be disarmed. Sadly, Colorado State University has just announced that the CSU campus is a free kill zone.

    • leisureal says:

      Do you really think more laws are going to help. My understanding is that currently no weapons allowed on base-which I think is NUTS- and why do you think the Fort Hood shooter was able to kill so many-until the local police arreived-with weapons? If military personnel had weapons, I bet they would have taken care of him.
      I do not believe anyone-including the military- should have the right to violate a person's right to bear arms.
      I damn sure don't think a Muslim, Marxist, Anti-American like Obummer should be able to take away our rights that are guaranteed by our Constitution.
      Perhaps the new book( THE MANCHURIAN PRESIDENT)-already No. 1 on the Best Seller List-in it's first week out will open up somebody else to have the guts to take action against him !

    • Martie says:

      Fort Hood could have been made safer if EVERYONE THERE had been carrying. Could have stopped that Muslim douche bag after the first shot

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  16. wil says:

    I read this and you are a liar. this is referring to military bases. you don't even know the source. do you understand the english language? you are stupid and paranoid. I don't think idiots like you should be allowed to have guns.

    • chloegirl says:

      hey Wil: perhaps you shouldn't be able to have access to the internet if you can't be more civil….

    • Wil,

      You have issues with others seemingly not understanding the English language but you may want to pay a little more attention before making unfounded accusations:

      "such regulations could be used as a precedent for civilian infringements as well. "If this arms law is good enough for the military.…""

    • chloegirl says:

      hey Wil: perhaps you shouldn't be able to have access to the internet if you can't be more civil….

    • chloegirl says:

      hey Wil: perhaps you shouldn't be able to have access to the internet if you can't be more civil….

    • jpb says:

      sit down and shutup! go watch msnbc loon!

    • waltjr says:

      Now wil who really is the idiot here? I just wonder if you are astute of the English language yourself. Joel went into detail about the document being for the military, but precedence is being set with the language of the document in question. It is idiots like you that give a great example of how stupid the liberals can be about the 2nd amendment rights we have in the United States.

    • Neal says:

      You need to go study what's going on in England with private gun ownership. It will come here too if we let it!!!

    • Johnny Johnson says:

      Wil,
      Have you taken your medication today? You may be surprised to realize that NOBODY CARES What YOU Think!
      Now Wil, Calmly try to tell us how you REALLY Feel!

    • Deb says:

      Will, perhaps you need to brush up on your English as well as your manners.

    • DrWolf says:

      Wil, if that's your real name or is it Barry? You need to wake up. It's people like you that make life interesting for the sane, sober people in this country who know what's going on and are protecting your right to say stupid things like you do. But, be careful Wil, Obama has already begun his assault on free speech, you know, the First Amendment, so that morons, yes, like you, can't shoot your mouth off on sites like this and waste people's time with your incoherent thoughts. Have a nice day Wil.

    • Scott Coonradt says:

      Thats the problem in the frst place. Judgemental left wing liberal douche bags like you are ruining our beloved country. Stupid , paranoid, idiots, you are a liar, thats is exactly what any conservative would expect from mental midgets like you . We want to keep our rights thats all. People like you represent everything thats weak and wrong with this country. Oh by the way, Joel has the right to write whatever he wants in America fiction or otherwise.

    • Gersheps says:

      If you did in fact read the Document, did you not notice that the words "on the installation" in the first sentence, as well as in many of the next ones, were CROSSED OUT? This means that those phrases or words, DON'T APPLY. Also, if you read the Document, did you notice that the Document is a REVISION? This means a CHANGE to the original.

      Now who's the Idiot who shouldn't be allowed to have a Gun?? Look in the Mirror!!

    • downtown says:

      go have another glass of kool-aid Wil. Do YOU have proof this is incorrect??? Maybe YOUR pants are on fire!!

    • Carl says:

      Can you understand English? Or are you a moron that needs to have everything said perfectly so your monron brain can understand it.

      In the old days I would have just ripped you a blue streak and let it go at that. But then I found out you jackasses are nothing more than instigators and relish on the idea. So I would rather speak with crappy English and add lots of double verbs and adjetives and spell wrong and still point out your an idiot. Followed by bring it on stupid…..

    • refuse2lose says:

      You call him stupid???Maybe you should re-visit elementary school,since you can't seem to comprehend what the words STARTING WITH THE MILITARY mean.Really,you should not call others names when you yourself are a mental midget.

    • Patriot says:

      You're the idiot wil. It clearly states that this is starting on military bases and the first step towards a nation-wide policy, and since you're obviously ignorant when it comes to the Constitution this is a blatant violation of the 2nd Amendment.

      People like you are proof Darwin was wrong – if he were right only smart folks would be alive.

    • Jack says:

      Will, your ignorance is showing. Nobody has denied this is the military, but do read it again. This proposal would also subject off base homes to restrictions too. If you do read this again, and your English language comprehension is up to par, you will see the error in your unkind characterization of the writer. If your not able to see it, then your illustrative of the general ignorance and rabid attack mentality of the typical left wing progressive zealot. Learn something of the fine history of this country, and the frightening nature of direction we seem headed.

    • Uh Wil, You remind me of that idiot Bloomberg… Open Mouth Insert Foot. Try reading the article closer son… you might find what you just said is completely delusional.

    • 1rowdy1 says:

      Well wil. I tried hard not to waste my time replying to an imbecilic statement like you just made here. But after reading it several times was so outraged I couldn't help myself. I served my country in time of war back in the 60's and then there was no restriction on firearms other than to those living in base housing. And then it only meant that one had to clear any firearm with the base Police force to have it on base. It was their decision if they considered you safe then they ok'd you to keep a firearm in your barracks, or they could deny you that right if they felt they had good reason and didn't have to explain it to anyone. This is a much different situation and is on a regular basis becoming more and more restrictive just as is most every other phase of life. It is called progressive socialism. I hope you enjoy it because it will soon be much more intense and I can assure you that in it's final form you will not enjoy it much. It wont bother me much because I will give my life to try to stop it. I sincerely hope that I could run into the likes of you before I leave though. I would be sure to send you ahead before me. Best of luck to you in the future. – NOT -. you mindless twit. Wake the hell up and pay attention to what is happening and quit living in your own personal dream world where everything is wonderful. Face reality and stand for something with meaning.

    • Justin Anderson says:

      Everyone…please…poor 'wil' is obviously a libtard…I mean liberal…and Doc Savage has provided us an extremely clear definition of liberal. So have a little sympathy for 'wil'…NOT!!!

    • Lynda says:

      And your credentials and accomplishments are:?????

    • Carl O'Hair says:

      Your reply has the ignorant sound of a lefty who just doesn't have enough command of the language to talk in words other than the ones you used. I just don't understand you people.

    • mark says:

      WIL is a typical blind leftist whose brain is either saturated with drugs or filled with leftist propoganda absorbed the marxist media OR BOTH. Note how the personel attacks flow from his brainless lips any
      body but brain dead liberals knows that HUSSIEN OBAMA like all little marxist dictators must disarm the people.
      . It is pathetic that ignorant people like WIL can vote. THERE SHOULD BE A INTELLIGENT TEST TO KEEP
      THIS RAGING EMOTIOAL NUTCASE FROM VOTING.

    • BOB 95B says:

      HEY! WIL!
      WHAT DOES OFF BASE MEAN TO YOU. I WILL GIVE YOU A CLUE, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BASEBALL

    • Sylvia Rangel says:

      Wil,

      you are the only idiot here.

    • Flagellomania says:

      Wil,

      I am not very educated. I don’t spell well, and don’t know very many big words. But I still get up each day and think of how I am blessed to be an American. That even though I am not rich, I have helped to provide, and care for my family. Been able to buy my own home and do with it as I please. Yes, I have always owned a weapon, and yes, they have safety locks and are kept in a double locked safe. I am prior service, and am a expert with the M16. I am a adult, I was taught by my father and the Army the weapon is not a toy, and is only for sportsman, hunting and defense. I read your remarks and I feel sorry for you and our future generation. You might go on a yard sale binge, and look for old history books and anything else before the 70′s and look for the truth. You don’t sound as if you have a loved one or have been yourself in the military. But, believe me, we patriots feel the weight of freedom. And some have paid with their lives, so we all could have freedom. Without freedom you can’t own a weapon, your own home, educate you children or sometimes even eat, because the food is all hoarded by the people in charge. You cannot choose who your doctor will be, because “you’re not paying for his service”, and they know what is good for you. It’s not paranoia, it’s the big people on top, wanting to rule the little people on the bottom, dictate,
      and not work for the people. They want the power to kill thousands at a time just because they disagree with their policy’s. To me this is socialism, the power to kill and starve, and the first step, is to take away your defense, your “guns”.

  17. Wesley says:

    Thanks for the watchful eye, Joel! Keep us informed and updated. Thank you for what you do!

    • gunlover says:

      I am suprised no one has said something before the year obama was born hawaii was not part of the union it became part of the united states a year after his birth… check it out if you dont believe me.

  18. Second Amendment or no Second Amendment, I have yet to find any constitutional clause which expressly delegates to Congress the power to regulate civilian firearms. The 2nd Amendment is certainly no delegation of such power. And although several clauses of Section 8 of Article I clearly give Congress the power to regulate military firearms, again, there is no express delegation of power to regulate civilian firearms in the Constitution as far as I can tell.

    In fact, historical timelines for the federal regulation of civilian firearms typically show the following disturbing thing. There seem to be virtually no federal regulation of civilian firearms until the FDR administration. And if that is the case, the problem with civilian gun regulations made during the FDR Administration is that FDR and Congress were known to blatantly overstep their constitutional limits on legislation made in that time. So I wouldn't be surprised if federal regulation of civilian firearms was actually unconstitutional.

    Finally, note that James Madison, known as the Father of the Constitution, had regarded the Bill of Rights as unnecessary. This is for this simple reason that the Constitution never expressly delegated to Congress the power to regulate our basic freedoms, such as those listed in the 1st Amendment, in the first place. So the 2nd A. is arguably confusing the fact that the Constitution doesn't expressly give Congress the power to regulate civilian firearms anyway.

    Okay, what am I overlooking?

    • JTownsend says:

      You're overlooking that the Federal Government already has gone outside the bounds of the constitution. Sure, they don't have the power to regulate civil firearms… so why do you have to get a gun purchase permit to even buy a gun in many states? How come we are required "by law" to use a FFL holder (that's Federal Firearms License holder) in order to transfer a gun across state lines?

      And how come the Federal government is pouring billions into public education since it is explicitly against the constitution?

      Because the American Civil government no longer follows the Constitution. We, and our gun rights, are only safe so long as public opinion is strong against gun control. As soon as public opinion fails- the Feds will come marching in.

    • JTownsend says:

      You're overlooking that the Federal Government already has gone outside the bounds of the constitution. Sure, they don't have the power to regulate civil firearms… so why do you have to get a gun purchase permit to even buy a gun in many states? How come we are required "by law" to use a FFL holder (that's Federal Firearms License holder) in order to transfer a gun across state lines?

      And how come the Federal government is pouring billions into public education since it is explicitly against the constitution?

      Because the American Civil government no longer follows the Constitution. We, and our gun rights, are only safe so long as public opinion is strong against gun control. As soon as public opinion fails- the Feds will come marching in.

    • jpb says:

      only the fact that it was unconstitutional for congress and obama to stuff obamacare down our throats. what makes you think they will start playing by the rules now? but you are obviously a smart person and bring up some valid points, if any other administration was in office other than these liberal loons. oh that last name call goes for congress as well….out

    • Guest says:

      Our government does not follow the constitution any longer so it really won't be more than a speed bump if they choose to take our guns.

    • sleepy says:

      Obamacare– It is in Obama's healthcare bill where he is going to regulate then take away our firearms. He wants american, gun free. He is taking our freedom and liberty away from us.
      We the people, know very little in how Obama is dismantling america, but he is doing it. We need to educate ourselves very well and vote republican come November.
      Another issue that we need to learn more about is Islamic radicals in our government. A good book to read is " Muslim Mafia" by P. David Gaubatz & Paul Sperry

    • trg says:

      Well said.

    • sleepy says:

      Obamacare– It is in Obama's healthcare bill where he is going to regulate then take away our firearms. He wants american, gun free. He is taking our freedom and liberty away from us.
      We the people, know very little in how Obama is dismantling america, but he is doing it. We need to educate ourselves very well and vote republican come November.
      Another issue that we need to learn more about is Islamic radicals in our government. A good book to read is " Muslim Mafia" by P. David Gaubatz & Paul Sperry

    • Tom says:

      As you rightly point out, the darling of American socialism, FDR, trounced alot of freedoms for the sake of ending the depression, or wining the war. He is certainly one of the 10 WORST presidents in our history.

      I would like to note that the gun-owning public is a very amorphous, disjointed group- very much like the Republican party. Some gun owners have adopted little liberal lies as part of their thinking about gun ownership.
      1. So-called assault weapons have no place in civilian hands.
      2. We have the police to protect us.
      3. Having other people think for us and adopting their "idea"-ology is much easier than thinking for ourselves. (this one covers many modern evils.)
      I am certain that the communist majority in the White House and Congress are very aware of this. That is why they approach the elimination of our liberities incrementally.
      Maybe when the GunOwnersofAmerica stops bashing the NRA and starts working WITH us we can START to show some unity and become more effective.

  19. tday says:

    Thank you Joel for raising this to every one’s attention.

    Hey, Wil … maybe you should brush up on the English Language. What part of “registration of firearms belonging to Soldiers who reside off post” do you not understand.

    • ozz says:

      Obama is more dangerous, than anyone with a gun. As a commander in chief he could not lead a hungry dog (even a little one) to food. He (in my opinion) is what you would find under any horses tail. I could push a chain father than I would/would believe him.

  20. mark says:

    Makes you want to sign up for the military and go “fight for freedom” doesn’t it? I wonder what kind of freedom the military is supposedly fighting for when they don’t have any of their own? If I was in the military, I’d walk and never look back because its just a big lie. (See “War is a Racket” by 2 time Medal of Honor winner! Smedley Butler……Yes…that’s 2 time Medal of Honor winner!!) I guess the facade is cracking in this big scam…I wonder how much longer the scam will go on? Maybe when the currency collapses and the gov’t declares martial law the people will wake up…..but I doubt it!
    Thanks again Joel for warning us of what’s left of this experiment! Keep up the good work!

    • TopBaxterUSMC says:

      When I was stationed in Hawaii, the state and military required that all guns be registered. If you lived on base, then you were required to keep your personal firearms in the armory on base. Guess what? I never registered or stored my guns anywhere, but in my house, and the state and military authoruties both could "Kiss My A**",then and now. Individual right to bear and keep arms is not given to us by the government, it is a Natural God given right of self defense and preservation and no government has the right to infringe on it. Any that do,deserve the business end of them. These half-wit politicians can pass all the regulations they want, but I will never obey or comply with tyranny of any kind,in fact I will use my arms to resist any such tyranny, regardless of which government it is. You want myguns,…only from my cold dead fingers!

    • Jules Tabak says:

      Don't the American people get it? President Hussein is not stupid or out of touch. He has a road plan. This Communist trained agent is out to bankrupt Americans so we cannot raise the money to build war tanks, war planes and ships to fight out enemies (his friends). Taking our guns will make it easier for his friends (our enemies) to take over America. He is a con artist and mesmerizes the American people with his talk while at the same time he reaches around you and removes your wallet. WAKE UP!!!!!!!
      Jules
      jenticer@aol.com

    • Jules Tabak says:

      Don't the American people get it? President Hussein is not stupid or out of touch. He has a road plan. This Communist trained agent is out to bankrupt Americans so we cannot raise the money to build war tanks, war planes and ships to fight out enemies (his friends). Taking our guns will make it easier for his friends (our enemies) to take over America. He is a con artist and mesmerizes the American people with his talk while at the same time he reaches around you and removes your wallet. WAKE UP!!!!!!!
      Jules
      jenticer@aol.com

    • Phil says:

      I fear there will be NO elections in November because comrade Obama declares martial law. If he gets his way "voting" of ANY sort will be outlawed and he will set himself up like his buddy Castro.

      Am I wrong?? I hope so…but still………………

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