Jennifer Knapp is a Christian music artist. Recently she announced that she’s a homosexual. She questioned the authenticity of Bible translations on the issue of homosexuality. She’s not the first to try her hand at this. Here’s a portion of her rationale:
The Bible has literally saved my life. I find myself between a rock and a hard place—between the conservative evangelical who uses what most people refer to as the “clobber verses” to refer to this loving relationship as an abomination, while they’re eating shellfish and wearing clothes of five different fabrics, and various other Scriptures we could argue about.[1] I’m not capable of getting into the theological argument as to whether or not we should or shouldn’t allow homosexuals within our church. There’s a spirit that overrides that for me, and what I’ve been gravitating to in Christ and why I became a Christian in the first place.
Let’s look at a section of Scripture that is before the shellfish prohibition. Later we’ll look at an even earlier passage. In the minds of most clear thinking Bible students, Genesis 18–19 (also Judges 19:22–26) is quite clear in its condemnation of homosexuality. Two male visitors (actually “angels” who act as God’s “messengers”: Gen. 18:22; 19:1) “came to Sodom in the evening as Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom.”
Lot invites the two men “to spend the night” at his “house” (19:2). The angels want to “spend the night in the square” (19:3). Lot “urged them strongly” not to stay in the square but to enter “his house” (19:3). Before they all went to sleep, “the men of the city, the men of Sodom, surrounded the house, both young and old, all the people from every quarter” (19:5). Without any desire to meet the strangers, the men of Sodom demand that Lot “bring them out to [them] that [they] might have [sexual] relations with them” (19:5). The word translated “relations” is the Hebrew word yadha (“to know”). The word yadha appears nearly fifty times in the book of Genesis and in at least seven instances it means sexual relations.[2]
When Lot offers his daughters as substitutes for the Sodomites’ request, he uses yadha (19:8). If the word yadha means “to get acquainted with” in 19:5, then it means “to get acquainted with” in 19:8.
In answering those who oppose your position, it is best to find the most formidable opponent. If his arguments can be refuted, then it’s safe to assume that lesser critics have also been refuted. John Boswell, assistant professor of history at Yale University, has written the most highly regarded defense of homosexuality: Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosexuality. It purports to be a scholarly work. In design, it is. His arguments, however, at crucial points, are flawed.
Homosexual Objection 1
Boswell writes: “The sexual overtones to the story are minor, if present, and that the original moral impact of the passage had to do with hospitality. Briefly put, . . . Lot was violating the custom of Sodom (where he was himself not a citizen but only a ‘sojourner’) by entertaining unknown guests within the city walls at night without obtaining the permission of the elders of the city.”[3]
Biblical Response 1
First, by this time Lot was no longer a “sojourner,” although the crowd accused him of being one (Gen. 19:9). The text states that Lot “came in as an alien” (19:9), but by this time he had his own house (19:2) and may even have been a ruler since he met the angels while he “was sitting in the gate of Sodom” (19:1). The gates of the city is where the rulers met to hold court (Deut. 16:18). Since Lot met the angels at the gates of the city, the elders were no doubt present. Lot operated according to custom. Lot showed hospitality to the strangers by feeding them and offering them his home for lodging (19:1–3). He even washed their feet which was symbolic of hospitality (cf. John 12:3; 13:5).
Second, if the men of Sodom were only asking to “get acquainted” with the two men, was this not an act of hospitality? Obviously Lot did not consider their advances to be hospitable: “Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly” (19:7). It’s obvious that the men of the city had some evil thing in mind.
Third, the severity of punishment for a lack of hospitality seems extreme. Greg L. Bahnsen writes: “It calls for a strange mentality to see (1) how a simple desire of the townsmen to get acquainted would be a breach of hospitality, (2) how it could be deemed seriously wicked (especially in light of the city customs, which Lot certainly understood), and (3) why it would be so vile as to warrant dramatic divine punishment.”[4]
Homosexual Objection 2
Boswell: “Sodom is used as a symbol of evil in dozens of places, but not a single instance is the sin of the Sodomites specified as homosexuality.”[5]
Biblical Response 2
First, in listing Sodom’s sins of “arrogance,” “abundant food,” and “careless ease,” and a refusal “to help the poor and needy,” homosexuality was the outgrowth of spiritual decadence. It was the straw that broke the camel’s back, so to speak.
In a sense, homosexuality is the cultural culmination of rebellion against God. It represents the ‘burning out’ of man and his culture. Paul described accompanying aspects of a culture that reaches this stage in [Romans 1] verses 29–31. The vices enumerated by Paul accompanying the open practice of homosexuality and characterize a society in which homosexuality is practiced and tolerated. Therefore, homosexuality that is publicly accepted is symptomatic of a society under judgment, inwardly corrupted to the point of impending collapse. Paul the apostle regarded it as the most overt evidence of that degeneracy to which God in His wrath gave over the nations.[6]
Second, Boswell quotes Ezekiel 16:28–49, but he fails to include verse 50: “Thus they were haughty and committed abominations before Me.” The word “abominations” is the same word used in Leviticus 18:22 to describe explicit homosexual behavior. Notice too that “abominations” is listed last. Homosexuality is the culmination of evil.
Homosexual Objection 3
Boswell: [Sodom] “was destroyed because the men of Sodom had tried to rape the angels.”[7]
Biblical Response 3
If it was all about love, then why was Lot so concerned about avoiding the men of the city? Why didn’t the angels tell Lot that there’s nothing wrong with staying in the square if consensual homosexuality was not a sin? Boswell’s explanation assumes the validity of homosexual “love.” Boswell and other homosexual advocates must first prove that homosexuality is in fact a legitimate act before they can claim that homosexual acts between “consenting adults” are legitimate in biblical terms. It’s possible that Lot knew that visitors often came to Sodom to engage in homosexual relations. Sodom was known for its decadence, similar to parts of San Francisco, New York, and Atlanta. This is why Lot is so insistent that the angels stay with him. The square was considered a “pick-up” point for visitors to the city.
Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13
“You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination” (Lev. 18:22). The verse is rather clear in its portrayal of homosexual activity without using the word “homosexual.” The Greek word homo means “same.”[8] The word “homosexual” was coined from Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13: “A male shall not lie sexually with a male, someone of the same sex (homo + sexuality), as a male would normally lie with a female.” Even pro-homosexual writers admit this verse depicts same-sex (homosexual) activity, but they deny that same-sex activity is condemned by God. Contrary to their opinions, a same-sex relationship is described in the Bible as “an abomination.”
“Abomination, a term of strong disapproval in Hebrew (to’evah), is used five times in this chapter [Leviticus] (vv. 22, 26, 27, 29, 30) and in 20:13. It is more common in Deuteronomy (17 times), in Proverbs (21 times), and in Ezekiel (43 times). Other writers use it less often. It comes from a root meaning ‘to hate’ or ‘abhor.’ An abomination is literally something detestable and hated by God (e.g., Prov. 6:16; 11:1).”
“If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they surely shall be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them” (Lev. 20:13). This verse repeats the prohibition of Leviticus 18:22. There is a penalty of death attached to the prohibition. The death penalty puts the behavior in a category different from ceremonial uncleanness found elsewhere in the chapter and the larger legal code.
Homosexual Objection 5
“The Hebrew word ‘toevah,’ here translated ‘abomination,’ does not usually signify something intrinsically evil, like rape or theft (discussed elsewhere in Leviticus), but something which is ritually unclean for Jews, like eating pork or engaging in intercourse during menstruation, both of which are prohibited in these same chapters.”[9]
Biblical Response 5
Certain ceremonial violations were considered “abominations,” but none of them was punished with death. “The breach of the ceremonial law results in separation from the cultic [religious] activity for a stated period. Breaking the moral law results in death or expulsion from the camp. Thus there is a qualitative difference between eating pork (Lev. 11:7) or shaving (Lev. 9:27) and cursing one’s parents (Lev. 20:9; [Mark 7:6–13]), adultery (Lev. 20:10), incest (Lev. 20:11–13) and homosexual practice.”[10]
Homosexual Objection 6
The homosexuality condemned in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 has to do with the “prohibition of idolatrous sexuality,” not with homosexuality per se.[11]
Biblical Response 6
This is an argument from silence. Even Boswell is not consistent with his claim: “Although both chapters also contain prohibitions (e.g., against incest and adultery) which might seem to stem from moral absolutes, their function in the context of Leviticus 18 and 20 seems to be as symbols of Jewish distinctiveness.”[12] When he finds moral absolutes within the context of the prohibition against homosexuality, Boswell must abandon his original premise of the “prohibition of idolatrous sexuality” only.
Homosexual Objection 7
What is being prohibited in these passages is homosexual lust, not homosexual love.
Biblical Response 7
This, too, is an argument from silence. One would first have to prove that homosexuality was legitimate. Sexual lust is condemned for everyone (Matt. 5:28), so why single out homosexual lust as a separate category?
Homosexual Objection 8
Boswell argues that Romans 1:26–27 only appears to condemn homosexuality. He claims that Paul was criticizing sexual activity that is against a person’s nature. In Greek society, homosexuality and bisexuality were regarded as “natural” for some people. Paul was criticizing heterosexuals who were engaged in homosexual activities against their nature.[13]
Biblical Response 8
Of course, Boswell is begging the question. He assumes what he must prove, that homosexuality is “natural.” The Bible defines “natural” sexual relationships in Genesis 2:18–25. Jesus confirms this in Matthew 19:4–6: “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? ‘So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.’” Paul affirms what the Old Testament teaches about what’s sexually natural (Eph. 5:25–33; cf. 1 Cor. 7:2–3, 10–16; 1 Tim. 3:2, 12). Homosexual behavior is unnatural in terms of the sexual “equipment” used, self-inhibiting (no progeny except by artificial means), unsanitary, and disease causing (AIDS). Then there’s the further problem of determining what else might be “natural.” Pedophilia? Rape? Incest?
Jennifer Knapp is trying to find justification for her sexual choice. Her arguments are typical of those promoted by the homosexual community. If we look real hard, I bet pro-homosexual activist and former evangelical Mel White is the source of her arguments.
Endnotes:- Knapp has no problem using her own set of counter verses to “clobber” anti-homosexual passages. Why is it permissible for Christians to eat shell fish? It could be that in the New Testament Jesus declared all foods to be clean (Mark 7:19), and indication that the Gentiles are no longer to be considered “unclean” (Acts 10:13–15). Homosexuals argue that since Leviticus 18:19–23 and 20:10–16 are part of the “Holiness Code,” and they prohibit eating raw meat, planting two different kinds of seed in the same field and wearing garments with different kinds of yarn—and these laws no longer apply because they find their fulfillment in the redemptive work of Christ—then we can conclude that the prohibitions regarding homosexuality no longer apply since they are in the same code. The same Holiness Code that condemns homosexuality also prohibits adultery (Lev. 18:20), child sacrifice (v. 21), and sex with animals (v. 23). Is Ms. Knapp telling us that these are now acceptable alternative lifestyle choices? Leviticus 19 also prohibits stealing and lying (v. 11), oppressing neighbors and robbing them (v. 13), withholding wages from a laborer (v. 13), cursing the deaf and tripping the blind (v. 14), showing partiality in judicial matters (v. 15), slandering (v. 16), and taking vengeance (v. 18). Leviticus 20 repeats the prohibitions against child sacrifice (vv. 2–5), adultery (v. 10), homosexuality (v. 13), and bestiality (vv. 15–16). Are we to conclude, using Ms. Knapp’s logic, that these laws no longer apply today because they are found in the “Holiness Code”? [↩]
- Genesis 4:1, 17, 25; 19:5, 8; 24:16; 38:26; Numbers 31:17, 18, 35; Judges 11:39; 19:22, 25; 1 Samuel 1:19. [↩]
- John Boswell, Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosexuality (Chicago, IL: The University of Chicago Press, 1980), 93–94. [↩]
- Greg L. Bahnsen, Homosexuality: A Biblical View (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Book House, 1978), 33. [↩]
- Boswell, Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosexuality, 94. [↩]
- Bahnsen, Homosexuality, 59. [↩]
- Boswell, Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosexuality, 93. [↩]
- The Latin homo means “man.” In the Latin Vulgate, John 19:15 reads Ecce Homo, “Behold, the Man.” The original Greek is Ἰδοὺ ὁ ἄνθρωπος (Idou ho anthrōpos). [↩]
- Boswell, Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosexuality, 100. [↩]
- John N. Oswalt, “The Old Testament and Homosexuality,” What You Should Know About Homosexuality, ed. Charles W. Keysor (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1979), 54–60. Quoted in Fowler and House, Civilization in Crisis, 129. [↩]
- Boswell, Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosexuality, 100. [↩]
- Boswell, Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosexuality, 100–101. [↩]
- “It cannot be inferred from this that Paul considered mere homoerotic attraction or practice morally reprehensible, since the passage strongly implies that he was not discussing persons who were by inclination gay and since he carefully observed, in regard to both the women and the men, that they changed or abandoned the ‘natural use’ to engage in homosexual activities.” (Boswell, Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosexuality, 112–113). [↩]




I would like to contact the young lady. You will have to remember that Lot and Sodom and the sodomites were in
the Old Testament. I said that because you mentioned the food that We eat. We are not under the Old Law anymore.
You would learn a lot by reading the book of Hebrews. We are under the New Testament as you will see at the
beginning of the Old and New Testaments. You can see when Peter received a vision from Jesus that told him,
that to eat what we eat today is fine. He was told Rise Peter kill and eat. For if you give thanks for the food is was
clean for us. He also meant that the Gentiles were clean. He should not consider the Gentiles unclean today as in
the Old Testament. Peter had a habit of eating with the Gentile Christians when the Jews weren't around; but
when the Jews who were unbelievers were around; he wouldn't eat with the Gentile Christians. The Lord showed
Peter He was evil for this dissimulation.
As for Sodom; it always has been evil for sodomy; it is told about in Romans. YOU will have to CHANGE your
mind if you will continue to be a Christian.
Also, if you have never been baptized by immersion, you are not in Christ yet. I pray you will change your mind.
Nancy
Nancy, your statement of baptism by immersion is simply incorrect and as long as one has accepted Christ in their heart through prayer and confessed with their mouth, they're good to go. Baptism is simply an extra show of Faith as a Christian. I have not been baptized, yet when I leave this world I will meet my Lord and Savior in Heaven. I pray you will change your mind … and watch what you say before you decide to write it. May God richly bless you with compassion and remove the demon of ridicule from your soul.
The trouble with her rationale is that it's also an abomination in the New Testament. We either take the Word as Truth or we don't. Repentance (turning away from thing's G_d's Word calls sin) is part of salvation.
It's a simple matter for fallen humans to become distracted into pounding sinners of a different kind. We all do that sometimes. A few of us do it a lot of the time. But that inconsistency does not remove the necessity of saying flat out that sin IS sin. We don't want to assume the role of the Holy Spirit in conviction but we must admit that His conviction will often operate as His people uphold the truth unwaveringly. We should be bold in doing so while at the same time acknowledging our own sinful nature that will include hypocrisy of one sort or another. All are accused. Let us learn to walk in forgiveness given by Christ. When we have the awareness of our own continuing need and His perpetual grace usward, then we will tend to be gracious to the other sinners, many of whom have not received the gift of life. Let us be the reason they would want it.
That is probably better said "Let us be the reason they are attracted to it"
Unfortunately some people are born with abnormalities. Homosexuality is one that defies normal and natural relationships of the sexes, and the only abnormality that is too often bragged about. Considering the differences in male and female bodies, it doesn't take much intelligence to see what it's all about. Trying to convince anyone that same sex marriage, or sexual conduct with another of the same sex is only natural, it's an example of a desperate attempt to change the laws of nature.
Unfortunately some people are born with abnormalities. Homosexuality is one that defies normal and natural relationships of the sexes, and the only abnormality that is too often bragged about. Considering the differences in male and female bodies, it doesn't take much intelligence to see what it's all about. Trying to convince anyone that same sex marriage, or sexual conduct with another of the same sex is only natural, it's an example of a desperate attempt to change the laws of nature.
Tucker,
I agree with you. I was saved as a youngster, then proceeded to live according to the flesh till I was in my thirties. I used all the usual arguments to justify my life style. It wasn't till the LORD showed me what love really was that I was able to change my life style. Now I live to please HIM, not me. I fail often, asking for forgiveness daily.
I pray the LORD will change her heart and open her eyes.
Love to all,
Pat
In eyes of God, the All-powerful Spirit who created normal marriage for His purposes, there is no justification for homosexuality, nor any of the other forms of perverted sex. God loves all His creation. He is calling including all mankind to be saved. Scriptures in Romans 1:16-17 and 1 Cor 6:11 testify that the wonderful free gift of God’s divine influence (“charis” translated “grace”) in the hearts of believers, received as a result of the new birth “of water and of the Spirit” (John 3:5 and Acts 2:38-42) delivered them and transformed their lives from homosexual to normal. I know from experience that God can cleanse our hearts and lives from all emotional influences that lead to homosexuality.
I've been a Christian for over twenty years. At the time of my conversion, the Lord called me out of the homosexual lifestyle. He has shown me why it is an abomination to God, a self & other destructive lifestyle. It is impossible to maintain a relationship with the Lord while indulging in this behavior. I struggle every day but as my healing progresses, the temptation decreases. The churches I've been affiliated with have welcomed me with open loving arms to help me to be more than an overcomer. If we are judging people instead of showing them how to be free, it is no wonder Christianity gets a bad rap. "Hate the sin but love the sinner." Nobody ever lived up to God's standard…..it is a process through our relationship with Jesus. There must be a heart change…..which will never occur if we drive people AWAY from salvation. You cannot legislate human behavior…..if you could, we wouldn't have jails and prisons. Homosexuality is a self-imposed prison with its roots being deception, bitterness, and rebellion. Nothing can kill these roots except a heart change in a relationship with the Lord. So, let's love them into the kingdom….not chase them off with our Bible sticks. Blessings to all.
Tucker I totally agree. My first dealing with homosexuals was at work. I really prayed hard about what the Lord required of me. It was as you said Love the sinner but hate the sin. HE also gave me that kind of grace to really practice doing that. I was able to tell them of God's care for them without judging them.
AMEN!
Tucker I totally agree. My first dealing with homosexuals was at work. I really prayed hard about what the Lord required of me. It was as you said Love the sinner but hate the sin. HE also gave me that kind of grace to really practice doing that. I was able to tell them of God's care for them without judging them.
AMEN!
Thanks Tucker. What you're espousing is very hard to do in the "loving the sinner/hating the sin" aspect. I have a gay "Christian" brother who of course professes his Christianity to the upper most but in everything else in his life is a model citizen/person. I'm quite proud of his starting his own business after getting fired from his old corporate job. But I struggle both with him and my own family on this subject. My Christian sister who now works with him has swallowed all the wieird gay theology now to the point of not even recognizing that homosexualtiy is a "behavior",etc. So everything to keep the peace I guess in my family, while the huge pink elephant grazes in the center of the room.
Most of my life has been spent in the Merchant Marine or US Army. In both places we men lived together in tight quarters or situations. Any one of us would have killed to protect the life of the other yet we never fell in love or even thought about sex with each other. The biggest problem today is we have lost the word "like" and replaced it with "love". There were homosexuals in these crews and we respected each other as long as no attempt was made to have sex. In other words we liked each other as crew members and friends but never thought about love. Maybe we in years past thought about God thinking Adam needing a mate. He did not chose Charlie or Joe, he chose Eve, a woman
You bring up some good points, Travis.
Unfortunately, the mind traps that she is caught in won't let her think she can live the way you described.
I have to say that one of the quickest ways of disarming a person stuck in this way of thought is to not be fazed. So, you think you are gay? Well, last time I looked you were *fill in person's name*. Let's talk about him/her without bringing in the sexual orientation at all. Who are YOU?
When it is pointed out that way, it is interesting to notice that it is almost impossible to carry on that type of conversation without sexual reference because they have been duped by the enemy to feel that they have to identify themselves with that way of life instead of their name and who God intended them to be. Once they are able to talk like this, THEN the open doors start. But trust is important.
I work among homosexuals all of the time and I lived with them for three years.
I have come to the conclusion that satan hates anyone who was gifted with the same characteristics that he had before he chose to give them up for the disintegration of evil. He does not want anyone who is
highly creative
highly motivational
entertaining or charming
able to perform in a gifted way in arts, music, or athletics
to be able to bring honor to God, His kingdom, or to reproduce either. His way of doing that is to violate their lives in such a way to keep them from reproducing to make more gifted people, and trap their minds into limited thinking so they won't figure out how they are being held captive.
Love covers a multitude of sins.
Including eating shellfish which DOES damage the body and if you want to get technical, it might not be a sin because of the law, but it does damage the temple of our bodies so it is just another reason for GRACE to reach out and show us His love.
Funny part is the first time I saw Jennifer Knapp she looked like she might struggle with homosexuality.
Glad you brought this up, Gary.
Another opportunity to see God set another captive free through prayer.
Here is a very interesting interview concerning the NIV translation
The NIV, Homosexuality, and Virginia Mollenkott -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmcwJXuwa5U.
In an age of rampant humanism and outmost reliance on universalism, it is an outright act of hypocrisy to claim that homosexuality can not be changed and ascribe it a legalistic label as a right.
Jennifer,
Go on and love, sister!! Love your neighbor as yourself! There is no law against humility and friendship with the same sex: love em to death. But sexual friendship with the same sex is the issue and for that you have no apologetic! Just like one cannot hold a contraption together with only "nuts" (one must also have the "male" part), so, too, true sexual union cannot be had with two females. If one is not heterosexual in a sexual relationship, one is perverting what God intended for sexual love: not only pleasure but procreation. Two females cannot produce a human without manipulating creation (ahem, read, "Playing God").
Again, if you want to live celibate for the rest of your life but live with a female who is your best friend, go for it!!! Just don't give yourself benefits that belong only to a husband and wife.
Travis, it is a point by point defense of the biblical condemnation of homosexuality.
"In answering those who oppose your position, it is best to find the most formidable opponent. If his arguments can be refuted, then it’s safe to assume that lesser critics have also been refuted. John Boswell, assistant professor of history at Yale University, has written the most highly regarded defense of homosexuality"
Each side of the debate is clearly labeled. "Homosexual Objection" and "Biblical Response"
As Jesus said their is no such thing as a little sin. A sin is a sin no matter how much you try to justify it. Jesus said turn away from your sin and ask for forgiveness, he will come into your heart if you ask him.
Excelent LEE!!!!!!!
Gary,
This article is very confoosing. I was going to post it, but as I cannot make heads or tails of it, I won't pass it along just yet. I thought it was JK's arument for but it seems it is yours against. Which is it? It might be best to label her points as JK and yours as GD.