TEA-Party Hypocrisy: How Much Socialism Is Acceptable?

I am quite in harmony with the main thrust of the TEA-Party movements. T-E-A, “Taxed Enough Already,” is a great rallying cry. “Taxed Too Much Already” would be better, but doesn’t square the convenient acronym. I fully support the TEA-parties’ stated aims to reduce taxes and limit government mainly because I, on principle, oppose socialism as Godless, anti-Christian, and destructive of society.  But for these same reasons I have little faith in the success of the TEA-party as a movement. Why?

Because I, on principle, oppose socialism, and most of the TEA-parties are composed of people who neither vote on principle nor oppose socialism. Yes, you read that right.

First, most TEA-party activists don’t vote on principle. They don’t hate socialism and government theft and abuse as a rule. If they did they would have been just as exercised about socialism, big government, fascism, dubious legislative tactics, deficits and the national debt during George W. Bush’s term in office. But they were silent. The greatest increases in national debt since WWII came during the presidencies of Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II. Here’s the best chart I’ve seen illustrating national debt growth. During these decades TEA-parties were non-existent. Silence. They don’t oppose Socialism on principle, they oppose the other guys’ socialism. That is, they oppose socialism for causes they don’t agree with at the moment. They don’t vote on principle, they vote pragmatically to get a government that benefits them in ways they want.

The first point simply grows out of the second: TEA-partiers don’t really oppose socialism. They are socialists. They believe in using government theft to fund causes they personally benefit from. They denounce—via chant and mantra—Obamacare as a government takeover of health care. The TEA-parties rage when Obama proclaims something so bold as “Our government is finally bringing prescription drug coverage to the seniors of America.” But, ironically, those are not Obama’s but Bush’s exact words after signing a $550 billion Medicare bill into law in 2003. TEA-parties fume when Obama wants to overhaul health care. But Bush could pass “the largest overhaul of Medicare in the public health program’s 38-year history,” and there’s not a word. At the time, only nine Senate Republicans opposed the measure due to its exorbitant cost. Where was fiscal conservatism? Where was the huge public outcry then? Where was the organized protest of big government, government takeover, and huge debts then? And this is just one issue.

Where is the organized TEA-party opposition to Social Security? To Medicare in general? These will be the greatest drag on our economic future. The government refuses even to calculate these debt IOUs on the official budget. No, these Socialistic programs are called “off budget” expenses. That $14 trillion national debt you hear about is the minority of the real debt. Including the off budget numbers, the unfunded obligations total $62 Trillion. No TEA parties over this. The oldsters Republicans would use Medicare Part D to buy the medicine needed to stay on their feet all day. And exactly what would they be protesting?

This is not even to touch the issue of debts and invasion of privacy and property incurred through war and militarism—i.e. the TEA party love-affair with the police State. James Bovard has mentioned these in relation to the TEA parties (though I don’t agree with everything he says). He was pilloried with comments calling him racist, traitor, liberal, Nazi, socialist merely because he criticized the inconsistency of shouting down “big government” while uncritically cheering on every wing of nationalistic militarism. Some response to Bovard should be expected, perhaps even needed, but calling a consistent libertarian a communist, Nazi, and a socialist shows the level of ignorance, thoughtlessness, and confusion that resides among the seas of TEA. Not even a week ago the same author had written a scathing criticism called, “Bill Clinton’s Lethal Hypocrisy on Government Violence.” Hardly a biased fan of the left.

And then there is the worst institution of socialism TEA partiers embrace: government schools. Public school systems are built on forced taxation, confiscation of property, general compulsory attendance, and socialist and humanist indoctrination… and the Taxed Enough Already crowd can’t get Enough of that. Please, prove me wrong. This is the main reason I have no faith in the success of the TEA party movement. Until they pull their kids from government schools and organize nationally and locally to end the tyranny of governments over education and property they will be nothing but socialist hypocrites. At the very least they should support tax exemptions or refunds for those who are forced to pay but refuse to use the government school systems.

But this is unlikely for two reasons: the TEA partiers in general use public schools and benefit from them (not in the sense of getting a quality education, but in the sense of being relieved from the burden of raising and teaching their own children). To pull their kids out would mean either paying private school tuition or one parent staying home from work to teach the kids. Other sacrifices may come into play as well, but these are the basics.

In today’s two-income families, for one parent to stay home and teach/tutor would mean a loss in standard of living. Cheaper car, smaller home, no espresso machine, etc. This is simply unacceptable. So, some amount of socialism is acceptable. This amounts to arguing that some socialism is OK as long as it allows me to afford more, which of course is the argument of all socialism. On this score, TEA partiers, like most Americans, thieve from their neighbors and sell their kids down the river for a bigger home with a bigger flat-screen, and NFL Sunday ticket. That it’s based on socialistic theft and makes your children wards of the State for half of every day is, apparently, an acceptable price to pay.

But we gotta stop Obama’s socialism! Fascist! Nazi! Commie! Tyranny!

No, Mr. Social Security, Mrs. Medicare, and Mr. Public Schooler: YOU are the socialist, the Nazi, the Commie, the tyrant. Mr. TEA Party: YOU are the socialist. Prove me wrong. When you organize to protest the major welfare schemes, I may begin to change my mind. When you pull your kids from public schools and organize to end property taxes and to privatize education, I will have a change of heart. Until then, you’re a socialist; and as a socialist protesting other people’s socialism, you’re a hypocrite.

Until this time, TEA-party hypocrisy can only at least perform a holding action. It cannot and will not transform society or “get back to the Constitution.” It may put Republicans back in legislative seats, but this will mean at best only a little less socialism for some time. It’s a holding action. And once Republicans regain control of Washington, will the TEA-partiers trot out by thousands in order to protest the inevitable Republican socialist advances, debts, etc.? I can assure you it won’t happen on the same scale as today, and mainly because the Becks, Hannitys, and Limbaughs won’t dare make an issue out of debts and socialist advances occurring under their guy’s watch. A few TEA partiers may remain, but we will see the true soft-underbelly of the movement—its own socialism. Again, please prove me wrong.

I could be wrong here, and I hope I am. It could be that those people who slept while Reagan, Bush and Bush ran up deficits and imposed schemes have genuinely awakened, recognized their error, and will fight tooth and nail continuously in the near future when “conservatives” climb back into the pilot’s seat. Maybe these TEA partiers will hold them accountable, too. But then what will they do? Say, “We’ll boot you spendthrift Republicans from office next term”? Yeah? And replace them with…? Exactly. I just don’t see the emergence of genuine fiscal conservatives within any party, nor a viable third party. And this is because these people have not yet become genuine fiscal conservatives themselves. So when I see the appropriate organization against government monopoly of old age and education, then I will take the movement seriously. Until then, the best they can accomplish is to move us back up, slightly, the same slippery slope we’ve already gone down.

If there is a legitimate hope within the TEA parties, it will come from the contingent of young people who have followed Ron Paul’s message on money. He has taught them genuine fiscal conservatism, and he has taught them the source of government fiscal sin: the Fed. This group of energetic, bright, and motivated young people are not easily fooled by socialistic schemes because they start at the right point: the government’s resource to create money and thereby increase its budget without limit, and thereby buy votes with promises of social programs. The anti-Fed youth are disgusted with socialism but they are first disgusted with the theft inherent in monetary policy. And anyone disgusted with theft will be disgusted with socialism. And they understand that the future of Social Security is highly dubious, so they don’t see themselves as beneficiaries of that system. These things being so, they have learned both in principle and in practice to detest and reject socialism. Would that all Christians and all TEA-partiers had such knowledge and personal integrity.

Christians should fully support smaller government, decentralized government, lower taxes (toward no taxes), free markets, individual liberty, individual responsibility, and sound money. These are all biblical social values. God’s Word tells us that big government results from wickedness in society (Prov. 28:2), centralized government is de facto a national rejection of God which results in high taxes, confiscation of property, and compulsory national services (1 Sam 8).

Don’t get me wrong, I fully support some of the stated goals that resound throughout TEA-party rallies across the country: cutting government, cutting taxes. I even have the license plate to prove my loyalty. I love the spirit of the Gadsden Flag (though I personally prefer the Culpeper Flag’s additional motto, “Liberty or Death”). But I just don’t think most of the TEA partiers are really serious. Not yet. And getting serious will require tremendous personal integrity, work, and sacrifice—more sacrifice than status quo levels of socialism require of these people. So, I expect socialism to continue and the TEA parties to dwindle over time. It will take tremendous revival to prove me wrong.

Please, prove me wrong.

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198 comments
Jason
Jason

Joel, with all due respect, I think you paint TEA-partyers with too broad of a brush. I actually know many people who are involved in TEA parties who HAVE pulled their kids out of public schools, and who DO oppose big government, especially Medicare and Social Security. Have you visited a TEA-party rally lately? Have you talked to a TEA-partyer recently?

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Iconoclast
Iconoclast

The TEA Party was nothing, but a fad. Look at how they are losing hope because their hypocritical war mongering candidates have been falling out of the 2012 presidential election. Groups similar to the TEA Party have risen and fallen away after short periods of time. Why? Because they got what they wanted. When they achieved their actual goal the people just scatter like flies. The Campaign for Liberty is something worth looking into. http://www.campaignforliberty.org/

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Frustrated Reader
Frustrated Reader

Socialism entails a controlled economy; stuff like welfare, medical care, schooling, etc. can all co-occur with capitalism. With all due respect, Rev. McDurmon, it doesn't appear that you have any idea what you're talking about. You wrote this long essay and yet you obviously don't know what socialism is. Pity, too, because I was eager to hear your viewpoints on why its Godless, but instead there's this ill-defined tirade.

makemenfree
makemenfree

Program update: no need to worry about the cost of Medicare Part D. The beauty of politicians offering to pay for drug coverage in exchange for votes is that the bureaucrats control the supply of drugs. According to Forbes magazine and other sources there ARE no more blockbuster drugs in the pipeline. Everywhere is trumpeted the fact that major drugs are coming off patent shortly and that drugs will get significantly cheaper. Big Pharma has finally been conquered. That's great, except that I'm worried about the fact that no new drugs are in the pipeline. Why would that be? Seems to me that the bureaucrats have finally killed off innovation. Just read yesterday that the FDA voted to NOT approve a medical device - not because it wasn't safe - but because it wasn't "effective." The bureaucrats will decide FOR US what drugs and medical devices we can buy. So stop worrying about the cost. There are no more expensive drugs, and no more will become available. We have sacrificed our future health so that politicians can give away drugs. What a great trade - for politicians.

Jim C.
Jim C.

Debbie McKee: You say no one knows about the "big picture", "true history", or who is "really controlling both parties". Who do you think is doing the "controlling", and just what is the "big picture" and "true history". I've been following politics since my teen years (more than 50 years ago) and first voted in 1964, for Barry Goldwater. To me, Goldwater and Johnson couldn't have been farther apart in their values and beliefs. I've always seen a vast, fundamental difference between the Democrats and the GOP, even though there is a spectrum of differences within each party (wider among Republicans than Democrats, in my opinion). Can you name any Democrats (I mean office holders, not private individuals) who support and agree with the Tea Party, and have from the beginning? I know of none, though there were many Republicans who did (though not all). My observation tells me that all Democrats despise the Tea Party, and speak scornfully and hatefully about it. That, in my opinion, is because the Democratic Party is of a leftist mentality, and, at heart, rejects the core ideas of the U.S. Constitution, whatever they may say. I don't think that's true of any Republicans. As I see it, Bush and Obama are fundamentally different in their basic ideas and values. Bush did some things that may have veered away from strict adherence to the Constitution, but it wasn't because he basically rejected it - he thought that what he did was necessary under the circumstances to protect the American people, and perhaps he accepted the faulty advice of some Constitutional "experts" whom he trusted. In contrast, Obama has explicitly stated that the Constitution is flawed and needs to be changed in principle, and it's his intent to deliberately bring about such change. He rejects its basic tenets, as does the left in general, including virtually all Democrats. I think it's clear that Obama's massive spending (far exceeding Bush's) is an intentional effort to vastly grow the Federal government and subject the American people to its near absolute control, contrary to the Constitution. Bush (and the Republicans) had (and have) no such intentions.

David Thomas
David Thomas

The misnomer, Mr McDurmon, is the term "American Vision," as if you owned it! I've been receiving regular e-mails for some time now, and many with which I disagree, but I've tried to be tolerant. DeMar is always taking pot-shots at someone - it gets old, especially when so many times I disagree with his assertions. Why should I, as a Christian, so often disagree with someone who is "supposed" to be my brother in Christ? It makes me wonder! And to be perfectly honest, it's very annoying! Now I read your pot-shot at the Tea Party. Oh yes, you're in agreement with them on many things; they just happen to be "hypocrits." What crap! And DeMar is constantly beating his drum about "last days teaching," and how it's so wrong. We've always had people predicting this or that, he says. How does false teaching make the Bible incorrect? The Bible, which warns us of false teachers, but also points to signs of His coming, stands on it's own. If you, DeMar, et al, want to believe what you believe, and stick your collective heads in the sand (or elsewhere), that's your right. But I will believe all of God's Word (not just the parts that suit me), and I'll do my best to interpret it properly. We are to watch for the signs, and to look for his coming - it's Bible. While there are those like Camping who are deluded, many of the known teachers on the end times are sincerely trying to piece together and "interpret" scripture. They aren't, as DeMar so arrogantly claims, False Prophets. What a despicable charge against serious minded Christians; they try to discern, and interpret scripture to see where the world might be headed. When it comes to interpreting end time scripture, many things "seem" clear, but many other things are "gray," but we are never told, "don't try to understand this." In fact, in Rev. 1:3 we are given this advice,"Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand." I am "Blessed," why aren't you? I've had enough of dealing with your nonsense; you need to pay more attention to the log in your own eyes, instead of (improperly) judging your brethren. I'm removing my name from your e-mail list, and I would advise others to do the same!

Hae Zues
Hae Zues

Listen up, brothers and sisters! You simply must go back to my teachings. Really, this is getting out of hand. But since I realize you are all so busy carrying out "my will", I will summarize: “ One man gives freely, yet gains even more; another withholds unduly, but comes to poverty. ” – Prov. 11:24 "Then Jesus said to his disciples, 'I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.'" Matthew 19:23-24 "No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money." Matthew 6:24 "For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?" Matthew 16:26 "There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your brothers and toward the poor and needy in your land." Deuteronomy 15:11 See, I never was a huge fan of rich people or the accumulation of money. It gets in the way of devotion to me. And this whole capitalism thing, it's all about the rich and their money. Now I realize that the socialists don't really appreciate my overbearing nature, what with divine authority and all but really, they're not all that bad. Actually, they follow my commandments pretty well. People come on now. It's bad enough that everybody in history seems to like making a game out of announcing my death. (Cool, everybody, I get it. I trusted an unsavory fellow and got nailed up for it. Just chill out Friedrich . . . ) But being misrepresented is just intolerable! I'll tell you this much, if your politics represent Christianity, then what is certain is that I, myself, am not a Christian. Well, that and I'm a Jew. Salaam and shalom, everyone!

Barton L. Bedwell
Barton L. Bedwell

My fellow Americans, I don't know where you get your information from but you are dead wrong about the TEA Party! If they are socialist then why is it that the "true socialist" are doing their best to discredit the movement? Why would even the "Republicans" be trying their best to put a lid on the movement and keep the crowds of people that identify themselves as members to a low roar? I have seen they way that the "national media" has handled them and it is doing its best against them. Maybe because the people that I have been in contact with are just like me. Someone who has a lot of love for this country but doesn't have a lot of money. You sir probably don't have any problems raising the money that you need to educate your kids, give money to the "causes" that you beleive in and can readily go anywhere you want and have the "media" to espouse your beleifs without any trouble. If you would just check out everything that you need to make an informed decision then I beleive that you will change your mind. But then you would have to start by reading my email wouldn't you? Well at least I did my part.

Katy
Katy

Your article has an elitist tone. We don't need that. We get enough of that from Obama. Were many people "asleep at the switch" until BHO? Yes, some people are guilty as charged. But do not insult the intelligence of U.S. citizens by telling us we love socialism. I hate socialism. It violates the U.S. Constitution, a document I love dearly. Just because some people needed that final push (Obamacare) to wake up doesn't mean they love socialism. In my case, all those other programs were put in place either before I was born, or when I was a child. Other people did it to me before I was even old enough to vote. I think all those federal programs are probably unconstitutional, but they have been in place for between 50 and 70 years. You can't vote them all out in one year. There will be riots in the streets. It would be like passing an ex post facto law for people over the age of 50. Tough luck, you say? Please. You can't be that utterly heartless. We need planned reform, not anarchy in the streets. Is that what you want? Why don't you take a look at Paul Ryan's suggestions? Programs can be reformed and gradually phased out, but for older U.S. citizens who paid into the system for 40 years (their money was taken --- they had no choice) you cannot yank the rug out from under them. Yes, we need to rein in spending. Don't guilt trip people who had no say in creating these programs or having to participate in them. The law mandates it. Change Congress. Change the laws. Stop all non-citizens from participating in the programs. But don't blame the ordinary, law-abiding U.S. citizens. Not everyone is as smart as you are. I am sure you saw through all of this when you were about six years old. Take people from where they are at, educate them, lead them, and bring them along. Don't scold the newly-awakened. They are your allies. Don't treat newcomers to the Tea Party movement like elitist Obama treats people. I don't want to eat his peas or your peas. What statistics do you have to say Tea Party members don't vote on principle? Please. I have voted based on Judeo-Christian, prolife, and conservative principles for years. Have you? If not, don't castigate other people. All the Tea Partiers I know are VERY principled people, and many have been struggling against the creeping socialism and liberalism of our culture for decades. I believe in principle before party, and I have for decades. I am not one of your stereotypes, and neither are my friends. I have been engaged and active for several decades. Have you?

Al
Al

I'm sorry if you haven't heard the cries of TEA Party members before now. They were probably drowned out by Establishment Republicans we were told we could trust. You know, the ones who claimed to walk in Reagan's shadow. They were probably marginalized by Libertarian libertines trying to steal the platform from pro-life, pro-family, pro-marriage, self responsibility, and hard working Conservative Americans in the Republican Party by advancing legal marijuana, the end to all wars, and gay marriage. You have not heard what you want to hear because you are not listening to the people you obviously belittle as communists, while placing all "Republicans" in the same basket. I have always fought against anything that was UnConstitutional as I took an oath to do when I served my country in the Air Force before I found out I had a serious disability after leaving. I continue to fight for the Individual to make the most of themselves which is why I reject using illicit drugs, degrading of the human soul by turning away from God in ignorance, and treating others as lesser beings. (I am as guilty of the last as anyone, but the struggle for improvement continues) We have a choice to free the human spirit in the best way possible, and from this point in time there are choices to be made to achieve that goal, or we can allow regulation, taxes, unemployment, the lack of opportunity, and overreaching government to destroy the spirits of the People. If you would check out the discussions at Patriot Action Network.com you might actually see just how many TEA Party members agree with you, even in your flawed choice of Presidential Candidates. But if you open your eyes and your mind you might find out that a lot of people have some responsible plans for doing the things that you agree with. Oh, and most of us have learned to bite our tongues about shaping the nation in any way other than through elections. To do otherwise would get us banned from speaking anywhere. Personally I have also home schooled my children until they rebelled thanks to outside forces. I believe all Schools should be private schools to remove all the problems with education in the united States that we are currently experiencing. You speak as though you have little respect for Ronald Reagan as well, but he was more of a leader than the circumstances of his Presidency allowed. I also hold it against him that he signed the Gun Owners Protection Act which took away the right to own new fully automatic arms from the few who wanted to own them even though we should have known that we would all need them if they were taken away. That's what you get when you make a deal with the devil. As far as the Bushes. They were both elitist establishment fools and I would never vote for another one. If your problem with Reagan and the Bushes is just the deficit you conveniently left out the Clinton administration, which was in place for 8 years between the Bushes, although it was put in its place by some strong Republican leaders that held the line on over spending and impeached the liar. A deficit is not always a bad thing, but not planning to pay it off is. That is the difference between true leadership and a "let the next guy handle it" administrator. Reagan knew that his initiatives to free the public sector could offset spending to end the Cold War. Oh, you do know about the Cold War don't you? The USSR and all that spread of communism stuff? OK, enough said, but you had your shot so I get mine. I suggest that before you attribute something to an entire group of Patriots in the future you at least try to learn something about them and how they think.

Cindy
Cindy

As a Christian homeschooling mother who uses a lot of Vision Forum Curriculum, and who has also started and led 2 TEA Parties, I was very disappointed to read this. I find it funny that people will write about the TEA Party as if they are an expert on it when in truth they know very little about it. This article is no exception, however I expect this misinformation from the main stream media, not from the conservative sources that I trust. Joel, I wish you would contact me and sit down with a leader to see the real "TEA Party". I was called by God in Feb. 2009 to start a TEA party when I didn't even know what one was. After getting a leadership group started with other respected Christians in my community, we had our first rally. We had nearly 400 show up in a small town in Indiana. Our speakers all focused on the fact that the problems we face today are in direct relation to our disregard for our Creator and Sustainer. We continued to have meetings, always with this as our underlying foundation. Most of the people who came to our meetings were Christians, but not all. The most common question I was asked was "where are our churches and why are they so silent?" Our meetings were great opportunities to share the faith of our founding fathers to unbelievers who do not go to church and may have never learned this and heard this message if it weren't for the TEA Parties. When I first talked to and met other leaders around our area and state, I found out that they shared the same testimony and ALL were Christians who believe in our God granted liberties for all. Some groups held full out revivals while others like ours held Christian Heritage meetings which specifically reached out to the churches and pastors in our communities. One woman even said to me after a meeting "this felt like a revival". After moving out of state due to my husbands job, I started another group in my new community. Again I have met many strong Christians and wonderful patriots. In fact our last meeting with a group of leaders around the state of Michigan began with the reading of scripture! I liken the TEA Party to a church without walls, where no one tells us we can't talk about religion and politics in the same room. We know that God is Sovereign over both. The amazing thing about these TEA Party people is that they have our country's interests first and foremost, especially concerning the liberties and Constitutional protections for our future generations. To insinuate that they are greedy socialists only worried about their own dollar couldn't be further from the truth. Although in every group you get a few fringe characters, to lump the majority of these patriots who have spent many hours and their own dollars to secure freedoms for the next generation is irresponsible. This may be a strong letter to my friends at Vision Forum but I really hope they connect with me and other midwestern TEA Party groups all around Michigan and Indiana that I met, and do some better research before they indulge in the spoiling of a lot of Godly labor of a lot of Godly people.

Goatman
Goatman

Thank God for Barack Obama. I believe he has opened the eyes of many including myself that consider themselves conservative, but now see that "our guy" in the past was promoting a socialistic agenda just like "their guy". Conservatives must lift their choice to president in the next election, but we need to remain vigilant to the ideals this country was founded on - and hold "our guy" to them.

Dana Pressley
Dana Pressley

I disagree with your premises. The Tea Party is made up of Americans who have awakened to the Socialist/Communist forces in this country. We have become aware and informed, and we don't like. Perhaps many were like myself, paying more attention to the wars during 9/11, and less informed about the spending and expansion of big gov programs begun under Bush. Now we're awake, and we don't like it. We don't like it no matter whether the President is Democrat or Republican. We are watching. I am liking the Tea Party and even the Libertarian Party better and better-and Ron Paul.

Jack
Jack

Mr. Joel McDermond is full of crap. If the Tea Party doesn't oppose socialism, then according to him, they must support it. He is right that socialism was present under Bush and Reagan, but it was not as obvious as it is now. Under Obama, socialism has turned in to fascism and communism - he has put the pedal to the metal. I'm not saying that Bush and Reagan were right, I'm saying that most people did not recognize socialism under them because it moved so slowly.

Winston
Winston

I've learned a "truth" about the Tea Party movement. After pulling back from involvement with the Republican Party during the G.W. Bush years by recognizing Bush as a Republican establishment elitist, big government proponent, and globalist, I made friends with the leader of the local Tea Party group. She told me that the Tea Party "was a fundraising element for the Republican Party". I was flabergasted and angry. So, even the Tea Party has tinges of Satanic influence in their midst by being liars and deceivers. The young/neophypte Tea Partiers recently admitted to Congress will just stir up already muddied waters in Washington. They'll just get the rest of us mad as hell with no real way to make change in government. It is time for real Americans to take back the nation...and it isn't through the Tea Party, Republican Party or other pseudo-sincere action group. We need to make a run on Congress and the White House. Tar and feather those blokes and set up a new government, much like what Israel has in their Kenesset to fully represent "We the People".

novi56
novi56

Most Tea Party types are duped; there is no “two Party system”; the Republican Party exists to organize the opposition, and continually leads them to defeat. They don’t care about our calls, our petitions, or even the next election. If there were no GOP to continually compromise with Democrats, then someone might organize all of us into opposition that could actually threaten the ruling oligarchy. But as long as we fail to see the truth that Republicans and Democrats are the same, our rulers have no opposition. Partisan bickering is theater, the press makes it believable, and the entertainment media keeps us distracted. Sixty years of history provides heavy evidence that this is the truth. Remember how we rejoiced after the election just a few months ago? Look what they are doing now; do you still need more proof? We can overthrow the GOP from within. GOP leaders attack their opponents within the Party with the trademark tools employed by the left: disparage, ridicule, and dismiss. I support Ron Paul, the only principled candidate in the 2012 Presidential race.

debrarae
debrarae

I listen to Conservatives and Liberals a like. And unlike 'the author' of the 'hit piece', the liberals and conservatives I read, listen to, and watch ...actually post facts, evidence, and proof to back up what they say. And what does the Author do? He says that others must do 'his' work for 'him'. Without the evidence to back up this Author's rants, it's just another hate filled rant, peppered with lies ... accusations ... and opinions; without one shred of evidence to prove his points. And how does the Author 'justify' the fact that he doesn't post one 'shred' of 'proof'? He says 'Prove me WRONG'. Sorry, but I do not 'work' for the Author of this libelous and Slanderous 'hit piece'. It's time for this person to do his own research. And it's time to STOP being a DISGRACE to the TRUE Bloggers (conservatives and liberals alike) who actually research and post proof of what 'they' have to say!

DeniseJ
DeniseJ

So we're socialists, are we? Grist for your mill - I'm actually ON SSI, disabled these last 20 yrs. Would rather work - note the gov't payouts, be they welfare, SSI, SS or what have you, keep you below the poverty level. One rule they are insistent about - you MUST not save up to start a business, invest or whatever. It seems the intent is to keep you dependent, childishly waiting on gov't largess. Keep in mind, the Tea Party arose in reaction to the glaring overt socialist tyranny that swallowed the "D" party and has infected the "R" party (for years, but not so obviously) As you see by the reaction of the uninformed masses, the US is quite used to the level of socialism that exists. Few are alive that remember a time without it. It may take a transition period to get rid of it, and some creative, practical solutions. But you condemn the Tea Party which is ahead of ALL OTHERS in being on the right track. What special solution do YOU have?????

cjm
cjm

How can the fact taht the Tea party didn't protest Bush's socialism prove anything, when there was no Tea Party then? There was lots of grumbling among conservatives about lots that Bush did. Some opposed the Iraq invasion, many opposed TKennedy's No child Left Alone, more opposed Harriet Myers, etc. The Tea Party is actually targeting fiscally dishonest RINOs, favoring principle over party. The Democrats, meanwhile, continue to put party first, which explains a lot about what happened to their principles.

Evanescent
Evanescent

Just once I would like to see one of you right-wing anarchists explain your principled hatred of socialism. You say it's a Godless system, but why? You would rather watch millions of people suffer, starve, grow up uneducated and fiscally abused, die in the absence of affordable medical help...I could go on. Are you really opposed to socialism on religious grounds, or are you just opposed to being taxed on your comparatively easily-earned incomes to support the less fortunate?

Justin Honaker
Justin Honaker

Joel, you sure know how to rub a lot of people the wrong way, don't you? I completely agree with your assessment of the TEA Party's non-aggression to certain socialist government programs. Thank you for the article. To those commenters who say: "I paid into Social Security for 40 or 50 years and, by golly, I'm going to get it back when I cash my check every month." I'm 23 years old and have only had one job that took money out of my pay for Social Security. I don't even think of that money as mine. Of course I do not believe the government had any right to take it, but when I look at my bank account and see the money there, I don't think "Remember self, you have $300, or however much it is, in Social Security." Even if Social Security does not fail in 10 or 20 years I am not counting on that money. I count only on that after-taxes money I have earned in the past and will earn in the future. Just think about it. Justin

Too Tall
Too Tall

There may be many that need to be brought around within the Teaparty. So let's educate them and bring them further down the road. I said educate, not argue/critisize them about the bigger anti-socialism picture. Anyone who is a Christian and thinks taxes are unbiblical is confused on this matter. What do you think a tythe is? You can't preach against taxes and then talk to someone why they need to tythe. Or tell them they don't need to tythe. That is where we lose many people. Don't tythe and see how hard you'll be working, and where your finances will be. By the way, Social Security was taken out of the budget during Clinton's reign, wasn't it?

MedMad
MedMad

Joel the TEA party has come about because we are sick of government control, corruption, and greed. We are not a bunch of Socialists waiting till the next 'good-guy' appears that will put us on the dole. There is still a small measure of decency that remains in this world, however small though we do take note of your remarks meant to incite and stir action. There will soon be action. Don't worry about that man behind the curtain... in peace my friend!

MedMad
MedMad

Joel, Joel, Joel. When was it that the TEA party was supposed to grovel for your approval and where were you when they threw the tea into the Bay? It sure would be swell if SS were to end NOW and the money stolen from me and you was given back with interest so we could put it to better use than Big Daddy G! There is however a much larger and sinister force afoot and merely quipping at the TEA party is not going to make the waves you are looking to make. It is not a Repulicrat nor a Democan problem but an American problem and Joel that is where the TEA party looks to change what is wrong with "this here America". By stimulating the people not through criminal endeavors (like buying votes with trillions of your dollars) or though coercion but by helping the American Citizenry understand what is wrong with the people who are holding publicly elected offices. Those people we have elected and then we allowed nearly to ruin this great and continuing experiment we so fondly call America.

Kay
Kay

Thank you for the comprehensive look at what the TEA parties are facing. I just wrote a partially critical note to the facilitator of my group today...not so splendidly as your article here, yet on the same lines. The groups are just emerging as groups, hitting the pavement and getting people registered. Because of the lack of viable candidates here, we are left with the status quo of the old Republican party. The non-liberal, conservatives, true Christians and just disgusted moderates (I don't believe moderates are either liberal or conservative) have no one to uphold our values. I have heard 4 candidates in my State and there were way too many statements sliding right into your article: just how much socialism is acceptable. We don't have time for partial socialism candidates. IF a candidate is not living true Christian values (you weeded the liars out already), or a conservative living the Christian values, we are status quo. Yes, there are a few in politics and many in our Nation that fit that bill, but I believe it will take people as in the TEA parties to change the Republican party from within or form a new, well guarded political party at some distant time so it doesn't change into the same muddied lack of values. It took nearly 200 years to get as evil as we are today. The motto of many in the TEA party is that we got where we are by 'good people doing nothing'. Of course, there are no good people. There are: just, humble, loving, even kind, but when it comes right down to the souls, we are all alike. We are all from Adam and Eve whether or not we want to speak it...we are living it to the fullest and we are degenerated into our present day to prove it. At any moment, a politcal person can and does change what he/she will vote for or against, depending on who's leaning on them, or promising them something they are desiring. Ask the marvelous Christian, Charles Colson, how quickly it occurred to him during Nixon's reign. Chuck became a true Christian when what he had become (and got caught) became clear and evident. to him and his Christian mentors. There is no moderation in being a Christian. Here's where the rub comes. Just how much 'world' can we live and still be true Christians. ZERO!!! Thank you again. I've never knowingly read any of your articles, but will make it my business to do so.

Bryan Anderson
Bryan Anderson

McDurmon doesn't realize, in his Reagan/Bush bashing, that the Congress runs the country.

Bryan Anderson
Bryan Anderson

I agree. Many good folks go all overboard with the Constitution Party thing and throw away their vote because "the lesser of two evils is still an evil." This is frankly idiotic. As it has been said, you will always vote for the lesser of two evils until Jesus Christ is on the ballot. Yelling about how the Tea Party doesn't go far enough is pointless and negative. Encouraging them to go farther is what we must do. Social Security has been entrenched in the minds of Americans for a very long time, and it will take time to get it out. Men such as Thomas Sowell and Glenn Beck are pointing people in this direction. As to public education, remember that it started in the 1630s with the Puritans. The main thing we need is to get rid of the federal DOE and let the states take over, which will make the battle easier. It annoys me when people try to float above everything like this and say that everyone else is so wrong. Admittedly, Gary Demar is right in this article, but fails to see the good in this movement, repudiating it entirely because of some inconsistency. We should encourage, not discourage, those who are trying to do the right thing.

Richard Gruetter
Richard Gruetter

Dear Joel McDurmon, I have been a staunch supporter of American Vision for decades. Your tirade on the Socialist Tea Party members has made me more angry than I can remember. You are painting all of the Tea Party volunteers with a broad brush and I might add from a position of ignorance. If you are the new example of research at American Vision - Count me out! I have been a volunteer with the Georgia Tea Party here in Marietta for some time. Our major thrust is educating citizens about our nation's founding values and the limits that We the People placed on our Federal Government through the federalist contract we call our Constitution. NOTHING IN OUR CONSTITUTION ALLOWS FOR ANY SOCIAL PROGRAMS, CHARITY, REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH, SSI, MEDICARE, MEDICAID, OBAMA CARE AND ON AND ON AND ON. It has been the power grabs of those like Christopher Columbus Langdell at Harvard with his introduction of Legal Positivism, and those like John Dewey and Col. Robert Ingersol that began taking Christianity out of our educational system around 1900, and the Supreme Court in the 1930s that started applying the notion of Legal Positivism which began moving us away from our founding values and limited Constitutional Republic. My question to you is where have all the Christians been that should have been fighting against these takeovers? You rail against those of us in the Tea Party that are actually coming together with our time, energy, and resources to actually try to bring us back to our founding. We just invested $17,000 to put on an event at Jim Miller Park to help educate our citizens about the truth of our Constitution and the limits that We the People imposed on the federal government through this contract. As the Founder of Preserve Our Constitution, Inc., I would not volunteer with any group that didn't understand that 90% of all our nation's problems are rooted in our allowing the principles and values enshrined in our Declaration of Independence to be discarded and the limits contained in our Constitution to be ignored. The people I work with in the Georgia Tea Party are God fearing, decent citizens who are feed up with an out of control government, and who are willing to do our part to help usher in much needed course change back to our founding and protect the richest heritage that any nation ever established. AND NO - NONE OF US ARE SOCIALISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We meet at the Marietta main library at 6:45 pm every Thursday evening - I invite you to come and meet the 80 or so of us who meet in order to continue our efforts to educate the public. If you will come and visit I doubt that you will continue to paint with such a broad and uninformed brush. In His service, Richard Gruetter

Dana Cain
Dana Cain

PS: Reagan was against medicare; he called it socialized medicine.

Dana Cain
Dana Cain

Wow, where were you the 8 years Bush was in office when people were calling him a fascist and burning him in effigy and complaining about his spending and trumpeting his failures on pretty much everything? You think that because more people are FINALLY sick enough to do something and speak out that they didn't care before? Many are the product of liberal indoctrination; they are just NOW coming out of their comas; not because they suddenly decided that socialism is bad but because they're finally seeing the full ugly picture. The left is no longer able to hide behind conservatives; this is their show now and never before has their agenda been so openly paraded in front of us. It is as if they're saying "Ha! We've got the power now and we no longer have to pretend to be other than what we are." They no longer have to use incrementalism to further their agenda. They no longer have to appeal to our sense of right and wrong and our emotions and our innate desire to help others to get where they want to go; they feel confident enough to openly exploit our good natures right to our faces.... For the record, I have been a fiscal conservative since I can remember; I never knew that I was because I wasn't a political person but looking back I see that I've always been against big government. I'm not against ALL government; I am against a government that has overstepped its constitutional boundaries, just as I believe most people are.

John
John

I don't think you are hanging out with the right tea party crowd. Silent too long in mass, but screaming in our little corner of the world none-the-less. The straw finally broke the camels back and even those not screaming into their computer screens finally got wind of the stench coming from politics and are waking up, becoming updated, gather to learn more and finally, yes speaking out in large enough numbers to make a difference. Too late? We will see, if the "DNC Soros/Backed ACORN approved minions" don't steal the election. And as Ben Franklin said "A Republic if you can keep it". And keep it we must, we are the last best hope for time immemorial - before the miracle that is the USA, inspired by Divine Providence is lost to the collective memories of our posterity.

USPatriot
USPatriot

I am a tea party chairwoman. I will forego social security. I would have preferred to put money into a retirement account instead. I am for charter schools and for disbanding the NEA. Instead of SOLs, how about learning about money, how our government works, that it is a duty to pay attention to politics and vote, learn what is in the constitution and what form of government we have. How about freedom to worship in school as long as it does not disrupt classes and dissenters can opt out. How about teaching kindness to others, uniforms instead of $100+ sneakers. I could go on. How about everyone (who has a birth certificate or naturalization papers call themselves Americans not hyphen-Americans. How about equal justice and ethics instead of PC (political correctness). Free ethical investigative reporting. I could go on.

Darryl Curtis
Darryl Curtis

It is a poor argument to say that we should not improve because our improvement will not be perfect in the first iteration. It is a very poor argument to say that we should not improve because we were wrong in the past. So, this person's arguments are both poor and very poor. While the historical facts that he states may be true, he does not demonstrate the ability to draw the proper conclusions from his history.

Mrs. Jo
Mrs. Jo

This guy makes me ill! I am truly heading to the doctor for an antidepressant, I just want to cry for our country. Does he not know I did not ask for the Social Security program or Medicare either for that matter? Since I have paid into it all my working life I sure as heck expect and NEED my money now that I am 68 years old, and have been drained by taxes and withholdings. If I had been able financially I would have also had my children in PRIVATE schools, just as the Obama girls are but since I have been a slave to the government I had no choice but send my boys to the government public schools that I am forced to support through my taxes! I don't use social programs because I asked for them but because I am forced into them by LAW. These comments really have made up my mind I am joining the Tea Party for sure now. I truly believe we have a group of communists controlling the White House, not just liberals or progressives. I think that is just new "softer" words for facists or communists where no one will notice what progressives really are, sounds much better doesn't it? I am really really frightened for my children and grandchidren's future, we have an evil government now and we are total slaves to it.

Warren Westfall
Warren Westfall

@dick Earmarks are required!! We are suppose to know where the green (or in our case green fluffy air) IS/or going. Come on!!

Warren Westfall
Warren Westfall

Wow!! What a response! And Amen Brother!! You hit the nail on the head!! I find it interesting that the ones with visceral responses to this article can only sling insults and profanity. I hope you are not presuming to call yourself Christian. That aside, where are your answers to the questions!!! Sound Money, Foreign affairs, Central Banking, everything the Repubs/Dems are carrying out is contrary to the Constitution that you purport to stand united for. This is the original essence of the TEA Party movement started by Ron Paul SUPPORTERS during the 08 presidential election. If you do a little looking you will see this is true. The article is correct, refuse social security, pull your kids from public schools, don't use social medicine, I have done this even though I am forced to pay for IT! Ron Paul is just a man living by his principles, the movement will not survive unless you people contend with the true meaning of the Tea Party's intent. Sarah Palin is Not the face of the Tea Party!! Vote for Liberty candidates in 2010.

dick
dick

Sir: only a rumor, but you mentioned Ron Paul,whom I supported. However, I have heard he has sent millions in earmarks back it Texas. true of false. I ask this question on a radio call in program, but I was never answered. What say you?

Freeone
Freeone

The first step would be to impeach Obama for incompitence which is allowed under the Constitution.

Hanne
Hanne

Your rant and snarkiness isn't worth dissecting and commenting on. Instead of being so critical and high and mighty, why not try a little thankfulness that people are starting to get involved? Try a little encouragement instead of browbeating those who are finally starting to see the light. We got where we are by degrees, it'll take action by degrees to get this country back where it belongs. I mean, for goodness sake, Social Security has been here for nearly 80 years. Even God knew you couldn't turn a people around in a generation. It's really easy being an armchair quarterback, isn't it?

Matt Thompson
Matt Thompson

I also have to add, that this article, why as sincere as it is, borderlines a Franky Schaeffer article written against the religious right. That is his approach. I hope you know where I am coming from. We need to remember ever the great Apollos was explained the way of God more adequately by Priscilla and Aquila, even though he had a sincere faith. This I would also think was the attitude of the founding fathers, as events transpired, unto a declaration of independence and revolutionary war.

Matt Thompson
Matt Thompson

I agree with you,but for some, things will have to get much worse before they can get better. If the State and the Corporate Fascist powers, that be, can keep the machine running, and maybe even get the Health Care Bill repealed, "Yes," the Tea Party movement will dwindle down, save for those who really understand what has been and is going on. But the powers that be know this, and as one who is in constant watch of the markets, I know this. Its called sell short, buy long, or short term memory, long term . . . "what?" Then again, if things get bad enough it will bring us to deal with what the State can no longer afford . That is if we as a nation still remain true to our founding documents. Either way, if our intention is to get to the original intentions and understandings of our founding fathers as a nation, it doesn't look good. Others seem to speculate that another party will form from some of those who at one time called themselves Tea Partiers, and they will be on the brink of where the rubber meets the road.

Lori
Lori

The role of the federal government should be to keep our country safe from all threats both foreign and domestic, interstate highways, the space program and relief for natural disasters. Most everything else should be on a local level. But if I could combine the frustration from all those presidency's and put them on a scale and then take the frustration for the current white house and put them on the other side of the scale ---Nixon, Ford, Carter, Bush, Clinton and Bush don't even begin to lift the side of the scale the current president sits on. The TEA party is a step in the right direction in every way so lighten up a bit. I am not a socialist on any level ---it is against God--- and brings very bad things everywhere it shows its ugly face in the world.

Lori
Lori

I haven't fully supported a pick for President since Ronald Reagan. I have voted for the lesser of two evils on election days before then and since then. I have hated not having a candidate to vote for--- that would have enough votes to win-- that I fully supported. I have been sending my representatives letters asking them to stop spending so much money for so long -- well I would rather not think about how old that makes me. I home schooled my children and I am doing the same for my grandchildren. During the Nixon, Ford, and Carter years we had to struggle for everything. I was very frustrated when Bush the 1st went back on his "read my lips no new taxes" promise. I was very frustrated during the Clinton years when we had to pay so much more in taxes that it was a real struggle to put food in the fridge. I was very frustrated during the years of Bush the 2nd ---more in the second half of his presidency--- that he didn't veto most of what congress was pushing.

empyrean
empyrean

He's correct. The Founder's did not empower the government to be our provider. Anyone who accepts that it's morally correct to take from someone's labor is a socialist. These are the people who need to reflect more to see the inconsistency.

DeniseJ
DeniseJ

Ah, yes, affordable medical help. As in England, Canada, where you wait for years for necessary surgery, dying in the meantime. Socialism, adored by the clueless left in the US for over a hundred years now. Notwithstanding its raging success in Stalinist, Maoist, and Castro regimes. I guess you all are still waiting for socialism to be implemented by the right folks in the right place at the right time. False hope springs eternal............

DeniseJ
DeniseJ

Simple... You tithe to the church of your choice, or perhaps to charity. Not to the government. Jesus was asked if his disciples should pay taxes....he noted Caesar's likeness on the Roman coin and told them to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's........It was not a Christian plot for the gov't to raid Soc. Security funds transforming it from an insurance plan to a Ponzi scheme....An interesting lesson from the Amish..they asked for and received an exemption from it on religious grounds, stating it would be a violation of their Christian beliefs to rely on the gov't to support their elderly rather than their families doing it themselves.......we can all learn from their example. Gov't payments are NOT charity..they remain controlled by other than Christian principles, usually political expediency.