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Published on April 14th, 2014 | by Dr. Joel McDurmon

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Why John Hagee is certainly wrong about “blood moons”

John Hagee’s Harold Camping moment has arrived, and whether or not his followers will abandon him as most did that previous false prophet, Hagee is certainly just as wrong about Bible prophecy.

I have previously written a lengthier piece on Hagee’s “four blood moons” predictions, detailing the alarming level of date-setting in which he has engaged. In short, he openly ties to this lunar “tetrad” event to biblical prophecies in which he says Russia and Iran will be wiped off the map, the battle of Ezekiel 38 will occur, and “your redemption draweth nigh.” For these reasons I concluded that Hagee has gone far beyond anything Harold Camping ever did, and ought to be treated with the same utter rejection when his predictions fail.

In mainstream news outlets, however, Hagee has kept his predictions much more general. In an older interview with Fox, and now when contacted by New York Daily News, Hagee only predicts “something big is about to happen.” This is, of course, the kind of prediction that cannot fail to be proven true. If anything big happens between now and the feast of tabernacles 2015, Hagee can point to it as proof he was right.

There may indeed be “something big” on the near horizon of foreign affairs—especially with Russian foment in Ukraine and another even bigger financial crisis looming across the West. I would be shocked if nothing “big” happened in the next 18 months, and I would be shocked if whatever happens does not involve one of the volatile nations like Russia or Iran, Syria or Egypt, and perhaps Israel as well.

But whatever happens, it will have nothing to do with biblical prophecy—not as Hagee would have the unsuspecting general public believe. As I outlined last time, the “blood moon” Bible passage on which Hagee focuses makes it impossible that any modern events could be the fulfillment.

The refutation is as simple as Hagee’s predictions are grandiose: he ignores the context. According to multiple sources, including this latest New York Daily News piece, Hagee’s foundational passage is Acts 2:19–20:

He points to Acts 2:19-20, which reads, “And I will show wonders in Heaven above and signs in the Earth beneath, the sun shall be turned into darkness and the moon into blood before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.”

The refutation lies in the very same passage. This is from Peter’s discourse on the famous day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit came upon the disciples, tongues of fire appeared above their heads, and they spoke in multiple languages, miraculously. A large group of international visitors heard them speak in their native languages. Some of the local religious elites accused these tongue-speaking disciples of being drunk—a 9am in the morning! Peter replied to them:

But Peter, standing with the eleven, lifted up his voice and addressed them: “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give ear to my words. For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day. But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel:

“‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams; even on my male servants and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy. And I will show wonders in the heavens above and signs on the earth below, blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke; the sun shall be turned to darkness and the moon to blood, before the day of the Lord comes, the great and magnificent day” (Acts 2:14–20).

Peter is quoting from Joel 2:28–31, but his application of it makes it not only clear but inescapable that the “blood moon” prophecy of Joel was being fulfilled right there in the first century. The earth-and heavens-shaking event which indicated this was the Pentecostal outpouring of the Holy Spirit and its manifestations right before their eyes.

This means the blood moon and darkened sun, and the “day of the Lord” of which Joel spoke, pertained to the first century. Indeed, it was the total devastation of the old covenant temple and the leveling of the city of Jerusalem in AD 70 which proved this once and for all.

Peter was not speaking of celestial events that would occur two thousand years from his own audience. He applied Joel 2 to his time and his audience in the first century. “This is” means “what you see here and now is what was predicted.” It does not mean “Don’t worry guys, this won’t happen for another two millennia.”

For us this means, “this already happened—two thousand years ago.” It has nothing to do, prophetically or biblically, with 2014 or 2015.

In short, Peter’s interpretation of Joel makes John Hagee’s interpretation impossible. John Hagee is certainly wrong about Acts 2:19–20.

He may not be wrong about great geopolitical events occurring in the near future, and they may even involve Israel. But they will have nothing to do with the alleged prophecy he is quoting.

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About the Author

Dr. Joel McDurmon

Joel McDurmon, Ph.D. in Theology from Pretoria University, is the Director of Research for American Vision. He has authored seven books and also serves as a lecturer and regular contributor to the American Vision website. He joined American Vision's staff in the June of 2008. Joel and his wife and four sons live in Dallas, Georgia.



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  2. GQ4U says:

    Very insightful expose’ of Hagee’s false prophecy

  3. lo says:

    Does anyone not care that Israel could not even view the eclipse. Was this taken into effect? Maybe the last two were seen in Israel and not the united states? Unless watching the news no one in Israel would have any clue that the united states would have a tetrad of blood moons.

  4. Jimmie says:

    Micheal,Tia,Arrow,You are like walls to a house you are right but not connected. God is the one that puts the roof on it all.As it relates to the New Test all must receive Christ to be saved Jew or Gentile (elementary) That make us Abrahams children Gal 3. In discussions you must be careful to distinguish between Gods promises to Israel and Judaism. The people verse the religion. The Jews were tasked with evangelizing the whole world. To bring an old test faith in the one true God. The did not do a good job of it and used their power to lord over people and as Christ told the Pharisees they would not go into the kingdom or allow others to go. That is why salvation went over to the gentiles “unbelief” Read all Rom 11 but vs 26 says all Israel will be saved. That is what most of Rev is…

  5. Michael says:

    I get a kick in my spirit from this site

  6. Michael says:

    I am nothing with out god …. With him all things are possible … In my weakness he’s my strength … Oh lord let the division between your children stop fill their hearts with love compassion understanding and consideration for each other , lord let your will be done on this earth as it is in heaven. Teach us your ways because they are far beyond ours .. I love you lord of lord king of kings .. In Jesus name I pray amen

  7. Michael says:

    Yes I love Jesus …… What turns people away from church is the division between us all what blinds people from Jesus is the conflict and disagreements between us all ….. How can you remove the speck from your brothers eye if u first don’t remove the rod from your own ….. Faith with out works is dead lead by example of what u do not by example of what u say let Christ be seen through your actions . Unfortunately we all mess up we all pick we all criticize none of us are perfect we all face correction and all have a lot to learn but rant we lucky that Jesus Christ our lord and savior doesn’t correct or act the way we do praise glory and honor to our lord Jesus Christ

    • Arrow says:

      So, discussions about the Bible are not acceptable unless we all have exactly the same perspective?

      • Michael says:

        You guys are just in for the arguments arnt you :-) fortunately I don’t have to defend myself I don’t react to darkness I only respond to the father ……. Fruits of the spirit ……. You will know them from their fruits love peace joy honesty long suffering compassion . Love never judges nor does it seek out to hurt condemn criticize pick put down think less of single out mock gossip or ostracize my greatest commandment is love Jesus said ,can u honestly apply love to anything you have said ….. Opinions are like pooshoots mate everybody has one let go of your opinions and give god the glory ….. (Still trying to work out where I said discussions arnt good though and the part where I said we all have to have the same perspective ?????) god bless arrow;-)

        • Arrow says:

          Michael, you seem to think that having a discussion about a biblical issue, and airing differing viewpoints, is somehow “division”.

          At least that is what I understand from reading your posts. You also seem very judgmental of anyone who participates in such discussions.

          If you are a Christian, you need to think about how your beliefs came to you. They have been worked out from serious study of the Bible, along with centuries of debate and often much difficulty.

          Biblical doctrines have been guarded and defended through the ages and are a great gift to us.

          Do not take lightly the work and interests of your fellow Christians who work to understand and preserve these important doctrines of Christianity.

        • Michael says:

          Like I said “arrow” you guys are just in for the argument live by and be led by the spirit champ follow the doctrine and prove it in you actions not in your empty words if you think bagging people is discussion then I may add that the error in definition is on your side not mine …. Discussing people behind their back is cowardice and basic school kid tactics ….. And then I read more out come the accusations that try to start an argument and then the accusations that I’m not a Christian hehehehehehe god bless you arrow if that is your christian name not just some tough sounding last on the popular list I can’t think of a good one tv show if u think I was judging u ha whatever keep bagging people see where it gets you it shows immaturity as a Christian

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    • Jose Sanchez says:

      Division is necessary when we want to be pure. Some teachings and ideas are toxic to our spirit. It’s is like committing adultery when we embrace erroneous concepts and unite Our Husband to something that is not of His Bride but of some other entity all together.

      God’s covenant with Israel has been broken. When a husband dies the woman is freed from her covenant with Him. Jesus Christ is The Lord of the Covenant. He is the manifestation of Israel’s Covenant with God. When that spear pierced His side and He gave up His Spirit, the covenant covering was lifted, the veil ripped, and the negative sanctions of a broken covenant befell Israel. For God to “remarry” would go against His own Word.

      Instead God is preparing a bride for His Son. This is New Covenant Israel, the Church…

  8. Michael says:

    I have a question for you all on here ……… Do you love Jesus

  9. Michelle says:

    I am not understanding all of the confusion with John Hagee. I have listened to his four blood moon sermon and not one time did he predict a date of the Lords coming, in fact he plainly stated Matthew 24:36 “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.” Mr. Hagee has been simply explaining that every time something has happened to Israel a blood moon has appeared, he has researched and NASA has confirmed the dates of each blood moon and something big has happened to Israel, lets not forget that Israel is important to God, he is not finished with Israel, they will realize Jesus is in fact Lord and Savior.

    • Michael Riemer says:

      God was finished with Israel in AD 70. Those today who call themselves Jews are just followers of a false religion. A true Jew loves Jesus.

      • brad cornell says:

        Where does it say that in the bible Michael. To say God is finished with Israel is a joke, what part of the bible are you not ready? The Jews are in fact the chosen people and the majority will come to Christ, what is the false religion they are following…
        Do not mock God’s chosen, there are many scriptures that proclaim the Jew are a special people and we better support them not believing in Jesus as Lord and savior or not. God Bless you Michael and have a Blessed Easter..He is Risen….

        • Arrow says:

          “what is the false religion they are following…”

          Judaism.

        • Michael Riemer says:

          First question: It says that in Matthew 21:43 The Jews are God’s chosen people? Jesus said to the Jews: “Ye are of your father the devil…” (John 8). Read whole chapter for the context. What false religion are they following? Jews, the followers of Judaism, are not God’s people. But, if they repent and turn from that fallacious dogma they can become part of God’s family. “Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son” (I John 2:22). God’s chosen people are Christians. “But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people…” (I Peter 2:9). See also Eph. 1:4; Col. 3:12; Rom. 8;14; Gal. 3:26, 4:5-7; Phil. 2:15; Col. 1:13, 4:11

        • Jose Sanchez says:

          You’re right brad. God is not finished with Israel.

          You just hit two birds with one stone.

          First the Church is going to be victorious in history. Because the Church is the body of Christ and Christ is the Apple of God’s eye. All who are in Christ belong to Him and are of Him.

          And second, there is no partiality in God. All people have become strangers to the Covenant and even the Jews must “renew” this covenant (be born again) by being adopted into the Faith and Name of Jesus Christ.

          God is not Done with His People.

      • Kenneth says:

        You are wrong. No where does the Bible say that. To believe that would make God a liar when he said to Abraham that I will establish and everlasting covenant between me and thee and thy descendants.

        • Arrow says:

          Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ…There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. Gal 3:16, 28-29

          “And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
          [10] And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.” Matt. 3:9,10

        • Eric says:

          God’s chosen people in the New Testament era are the elect in Christ.

        • TIA says:

          Arrow,

          I love those verses in Galatians. They are perfect for these situations. Gal. 3:7 also clearly spells out who are Abraham’s children (and thus the inheritors of the promises made to Abraham).

          Rom. 2:28-29 are also good regarding who is a Jew.

        • Arrow says:

          TIA, yes, as a person was taught dispensationalism for a long time, as I eventually began to investigate further I just could not get past Gal. 3, especially. There are just not enough “yes but’s” and “what it really means’s” in the world to get around it with honesty.

        • TIA says:

          Arrow,

          With me, it was more Daniel, Matthew 24, and Revelation that caused me to doubt dispensationalism. There were too many things that just didn’t make sense in the dispensational system. Like you say, they have to ignore, explain away, use convoluted reasoning, make excuses, etc. for why the passages don’t say what they clearly seem to say.

          Galatians 3 was new to me last year when we went through a Bible study on it. Of course I had read it many times before, but I had never really noticed the connection: inheritors of the promise = Abraham’s children = those who are of faith = those who are in Christ. In order for dispensationalists to affirm that the promises made to Abraham are for the Jews/ethnic Israel, they have to deny that believers belong to Christ. No thanks!

        • Arrow says:

          Come to think of it you are right about Matt. 24. I’d say that Matt 24 is what got me started in doubting dispensationalism, and Gal 3 that sort of finished it.

          But I still have a lot of questions.

        • Arrow says:

          Wonder where Kenneth went.

        • TIA says:

          Maybe he was raptured? ;)

  10. Michael says:

    Sorry if I offend anyone here but ….. Love love love do not judge !!!!!! Love Jesus love each other if u are a true disciple of Jesus love love love …. He won’t leave you behind he won’t condemn you love love love and read st James 1:17 let every man be …….. In other words shut up love Jesus look to him love everyone stop being hypocrites none of us know god any better than any one it’s by his grace not that u should boast praise him turn to him love him practice what he preached don’t preach what he practiced do it yourself show Christ is in your heart oh and god bless and peace be with you

    • Vance says:

      If I love you, I’ll want to inform you of false teachings that are floating around out there. Misguided prophetic speculations (like Hagee’s “blood moons” nonsense) are harmful in that they create unnecessary fear for some and false hopes for others. They also tend to make Christianity look bad in the eyes of people who need the gospel. When Paul called for the excommunication of a sexually immoral man (1 Cor 5) — “deliver him unto Satan” was the language he used — he was acting in love. Hagee is in need of correction for his sensationalism. When nothing happens once all the “signs” come and go, his church should show love by withdrawing all support from him. If they don’t, he’ll never learn the valuable lesson he desperately needs to learn.

      • Michael says:

        Thank you Vance for your reply it shows you truly care about the body of Christ. I have come across a lot of forums where christian people seem to criticize and have little arguments about either people, doctrines or prophetic statements and I somehow think that our old adversary would be chuckling at it …. God bless and the peace of The Lord Jesus Christ be with you always :-)

        • Arrow says:

          You have me confused, friend. Do you, or do you not agree that it is good to to point out erroneous teaching?

        • Michael says:

          Arrow this is for u I don’t agree with a lot of prophetic b and s that gets around I find mostly by looking at the person straight away I get the kick in my spirit I just wish that us as lovers of Christ would stop looking for fights and start looking for him I also know that is what he wants ignore the crap u won’t miss the buss champ once you know him you know his love u know worship him sing to him pretty soon you become impervious to mans crap because god is so much sweeter if you knew me and my testimony you would understand and that to goes the same for me concerning you discussion is good but there is a fine line to avoid offending people . My deliverance didn’t come from the bible arrow it came as devine intervention as he saw fit for his glory I wa how you say with the…

  11. Vance says:

    Joel, you’re right; Hagee’s “blood moons” predictions are wrong. He clearly misuses Joel’s prophecy (quoted in Acts 2). But are you saying that the prophecy was completely exhausted in the first century? Does it not have an application to the period of Christianity’s triumph (as postmils understand it)? Does it not in any way apply to the work of the Holy Spirit in the present age and in the future?

    • sam says:

      Any follower of paul is decieved james brother of jesus cursed paul…..pure monotheism is the right path as preached by adam noah abraham moses authentic jesus and muhammad

      • Jose Sanchez says:

        Where in the bible does it say that James cursed Paul?

        Where in the bible does it say Muhammad is a true servant of God?

        Where are you getting your information?

      • Nathan Kerr says:

        Islam is a plagiarism of Judaism and Christianity. Islam is relatively a new religion. Beware of any one man that claims to be a prophet that seems to have the enlightened truth. This is the case for the Jehovah Witnesses, the Mormons and Islam.

        Jesus never claimed to be just a prophet. Jesus actually claimed to be the “I Am” Son of God. Jesus performed miracles and is revered in all faiths including Judaism, Islam, Buddhism etc. Jesus never abolished the law rather fulfilled it.

  12. whats it to you says:

    Look at around you our sociotys are built off some type of religious morality but is now in complete contradiction . you all pray to false gods no matter the name man has dubed .we live in a realm of sin and the beast has already won and man let it happen with his hand in the devils pocket .shut the hell up about religion and live your life you only have one .do not worrie about words man has writen if there is a god he lives in every one of us and not in sneeky books of law fu** church the earth is my temple .I am you are we are all there is strive and thrive

  13. Mark says:

    After watching the Blood Moon series by Hagee I honestly think he may be mentally ill. He is arguably the worst preacher I have EVER heard and this series is the worst of them all.

    Sure, he is entertaining and says some convicting things about the state of our society but the man couldn’t exegete a text properly if you gave him the best commentaries and highlighted the correct parts for him. His sermons are NOTHING but strung together cliches.

  14. Ellen Herner says:

    Perhaps I have an overly simplistic view on all this but here it is… none of us know when. There ARE things we can observe that Jesus specifically warned us that we would be able to see as we read in Matthew 24. The rest is all supposition and educated guessing. I am completely fascinated by end-times issues but the truth is none of us know the exact details and Jesus himself said He didn’t have that information either, but only the Father in heaven. Will my faith crumble if things don’t pan out the way someone claims? No. I just have a simple faith that at some point Jesus will return like He promised and that’s good enough for me. Blessings.

    • TIA says:

      Ellen,

      In Matthew 24, Jesus was talking to His disciples then living. He told them that *they* would see the things he described (Matt. 24:34). There is nothing for us to observe currently. What we should observe and think about is how the events described in Matthew 24 actually took place back in the first century, just as Jesus said.

  15. Joanna says:

    Why so much division among ourselves? How does this draw unbelievers unto Jesus Christ! Shame on you. Your anger is sad. Watching the Hagee series has helped me reexamine myself if I were to die right now am I ready! What will my life display to those I come in contact with have a spiritual influence? I am not responsible for John Hagee he is yet I can take what the Holy Spirit has for me and go with it! I pray for unity among us for others are watching and please do not forget Jesus is too! Much love and concern

    • Marissa says:

      I couldn’t agree with you more. I want to know why so many people want to prove the bible wrong but yet they say it doesn’t matter and God doesn’t exist. If you believe that whole hearted, then why do they choose to waste there time on trying to prove it wrong when they cannot? The bible talks about a certain amount of blood moons. I’m excited for the end time yet scared for those like this person here who do not believe. I pray for the world every day.

      • TIA says:

        The Bible does not “talk about a certain amount of blood moons.” Joel isn’t saying the Bible is wrong. Quite the contrary–he believes in the truth of the Bible. His point is that Hagee is wrong because he has strayed from what the Bible says.

        • sam says:

          jesus matt 10 5 6 ”do not preach to the gentiles’…jesus sent only to the jews….paul was a false prophet

        • TIA says:

          sam wrote:
          “jesus matt 10 5 6 ”do not preach to the gentiles’…jesus sent only to the jews….paul was a false prophet”

          sam wrote above:
          “Any follower of paul is decieved james brother of jesus cursed paul…..pure monotheism is the right path as preached by adam
          noah abraham moses authentic jesus and muhammad”

          Contradiction much?

          Did Muhammad only preach to Jews? The followers of Muhammad preach to Gentiles. Are they wrong too?

  16. Alex Alexander says:

    While I agree with Doc Joel, the problem is this: Last Days “enthusiasts” will say, “Ah yes. Joel 2 applied to New Testament times. But, it ALSO applies to us in the End Times…”
    How do you answer that?
    Alex A
    UK

    • Ducky says:

      Well, call me a Gospel Onliest, but the Bible is not about you, me, or US or our current times. It’s about Jesus and his Gospel. Which, is an interesting concept. in certain Reformed circles.

  17. Richard Stals says:

    If you live in Perth, Western Australia (which I do) it seems that you miss out on the Second Coming (or whatever ‘fulfillment’ you like to pin on this round of the blood moon tetrad). It seems that we miss out entirely (see http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/lunar-eclipse-where-and-when-to-see-tuesday-nights-blood-moon/story-fnjwlcze-1226883647871).

    Proving that Perth really is at the ‘ends of the earth’ and thus Matthew 24:14 has been fulfilled ;)

  18. We must never doubt Father Gods Holy Word… It never changes… He says… So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. Isaiah 55:11

    Are You the reader… Ready to meet Him in Heaven?

  19. Wendell says:

    What I truly find amazing is how there is no love being spoken on this page.. It’s bash this person and bash that person.. The reality is that it doesn’t matter.. The goal is to become Christlike.. and Christ was love.. not only that but why worry about when the end is near!

    Matthew 24:10 – “And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another.” Jesus wasn’t talking about the world, but the church here.. what are we doing?

    John 17:15 – “I do not pray that You should take them out of the world but that You should keep them from the evil one.” Here in verse 15 Jesus states that he is praying to keep us here to reach the lost while we still have time.. Our goal should not be to prove who’s right but reach who’s lost!

  20. Ducky says:

    As read in tomorrows newspapers: As the blood moon commenced, as Hagee stated, something big did occur, the dollar crashed. This prompted interests for the Israeli government to dump the dollar and sponge off of take up Russian and Chinese money.

    The Israeli PM, given in a statement to Mr. Hagee and CUI, “Thank you for the wonderful support you have given to us and money. Without you we wouldn’t have been able to pull off what we have in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Without you everybody would have known. I regret that we must part ways since your dollar can yield nothing. Happily, for us, we have found new friends ahead of your economic crash. So, please keep us in your prayers to the same God we both worship.”

    • Ducky says:

      As read in tomorrows newspapers: As the blood moon commenced, as Hagee stated, something big did occur, the dollar crashed. This prompted interests for the Israeli government to dump the dollar and sponge off of take up Russian and Chinese money.

      The Israeli PM, given in a statement to Mr. Hagee and CUI, “Thank you for the wonderful support you have given to us and money. Without you we wouldn’t have been able to pull off what we have in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Without you everybody would have known. I regret that we must part ways since your dollar can yield nothing. Happily, for us, we have found new friends ahead of your economic crash. So, please keep us in your prayers to the same God we both worship.”

  21. Ernie Clark says:

    When 2017 comes and goes and the world is still as it is, in turmoil, I would love to see some of the commenters on here admit that they were wrong. If Jesus does come back within that time frame, then HALALOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYERRRRRRRRRRR!! But, if He doesn’t there shall be many out there that have followed false teachers and will have much less credibility with the people. Plus, this will also give the atheist and other doubters something to mock the church about. If Christ comes it is a win, win, for all Christians, but if not, many will fall by the wayside. I will not compromise my life and sit on my laurels waiting on Jesus to come. I shall be about my Father who are in Heavens business! By the way, American Vision is just contending for the Faith!!

    • Arrow says:

      God bless you Ernie Clark. I agree with what you say and also that the folks at AV are doing a good work.

  22. Jose Sanchez says:

    An individuals God is not who he or she says is their God, instead their God determines the way they speak the way they live. Do they compromise the ways of God in order to make a quick buck? Then they don’t serve God they serve Mammon.

    Prophets of False gods must be exposed. It’s the closest that we as saved individuals can come to getting rid of evil without resorting back to the covenant of works.

    Deuteronomy 13:1-5 comes to mind.

    John Hagee might say something that seems to come true. We will then have to assume that most of what he teaches must also be true. But we know this not to be the case.

    So be careful and be aware. Lest we are lead to follow after gods of destruction and not the God of Restoration.

  23. Balmy says:

    Did we not hear similar doomsday prophecies from Hagee and other doomsayers last year about the comet Ison. Jesus promised in Matthew 24 that no man will know when he will come and also he talks very clearly about the false prophets and anti- Christ. False prophets have an agenda and it is usually driven by power and mone.

  24. Argent Bulletti says:

    Dr. McDurmon,
    I’ve seen Doctor Hagee on television 4-5 times but don’t get my biblical instruction from television preachers–or from web sites. What does concern me, however, is the level of stridency in your attack on Dr. Hagee. I’ve been a reader/purchaser of books from American Vision for a good number of years and have generally had a high regard for its materials. Your curious preoccupation with Dr. Hagee doesn’t fit well with American Vision’s image and I believe you are on the verge of losing your credibility and following by continuing to bash Hagee, the Baptists, and I’m sure others since the vindective cocktail is seldom served up against just one target. I suggest giving some serious thought to your priorities and consider what you want your life message to be.

    • Eric says:

      Hagee is a dual-covenant Judaizer who claims Jews are saved by their ‘bloodline’. Even mainstream dispensationalists think he’s a heretic.

    • Gwen says:

      Agree whole heartedly

    • Michael Riemer says:

      Preoccupation with Dr. Hagee? He is in the news right now. Dr. McDurmon is not on the verge of losing his credibiltiy, Dr. Hagee is. “continuing to bash Hagee;” Please state just what you consider “bashing” in what Dr. McDurmon wrote. There was nothing unkind said about Hagee, just the fact that he is wrong, totally wrong and will soon walk hand in hand with the error of Camping.

  25. Tiredofnegativity says:

    There is a reason that Jesus told the parable of the wheat and tares. HE SAID NOT TO PULL THEM OUT BECAUSE YOU DON’T KNOW WHICH ARE WHAT until the appropriate time.

    Why do you still waste so much time trying to do the very think Jesus said not to do?

    • ah yi says:

      I completely agree with this point of view.
      Hagee isn’t even the one who originally discovered this correlation.
      Taking note of the “signs of the times” is NOT the same as date setting.
      It is merely alerting those who will listen that yet another sign in the heavens
      is declaring we need to be AWAKE & PREPARED.

  26. Dr Larry G Tolbert says:

    What is interesting to me is that is blood moon phenomenon has occurred two times before now! You know what? We are still here. When are these so called students of the Word going to let Scripture interpret Scripture? I stand amazed at their ignorance of the Churches position in the earth today. Thanks to American Vision for bringing clarification.

    • Lee Troyer says:

      Seems like American Vision has interpreted this whole thing for you.
      The Holy Spirit is supposed to be our Teacher.

  27. Pastor Carmen Cantalupo says:

    I love Dr Hagee if you read the book you would know and if you have heard his preaching on the subject you would under stand what he was talking about. Read the book God’s book tells what is coming by showing us signs in the sky starts and moon laugh now and cry later. Dr Hagee is not alone on this. I have followed his preaching for over twenty years He is not a Harold Camping

    • Joel McDurmon Joel McDurmon says:

      I heard his preaching on the subject. That is what led to my first article. He is a false teacher and will be exposed shortly. The question is, will his followers like you hold him accountable when he s proven wrong?
      http://americanvision.org/9872/camping-dead-long-live-john-hagee/#sthash.KC3fM9Do.dpbs

      • celisa says:

        Whose making predictions now? ( about saying John Hagee will b exposed shortly.) He did not give a specific date . I have seen his videos and read the book. Sounds like there’s a little jealousy going on here. I’ve studied John Hagee books for years needless to say I’ve never heard of you sir. I have received American Vison booklets and pamphlets. Never ordered for you but I have from John Hagee s collections. I’m sorry to say that I think as Christians , we should not put each other down because we are on the same team…. God’s team!!!!!!

    • Arrow says:

      Pastor Cantalupo,

      How do you account for the fact that as pointed out in the article, Peter quoted the prophecy from Joel and clearly stated that it was being fulfilled as he spoke?

      Note: what is really important here is not whether “Hagee is right” or “McDurmon is right” or we should or should not criticize. Let’s focus on: “WHAT DOES THE BIBLE ACTUALLY SAY?”

      • Lee Troyer says:

        “WHAT DOES THE BIBLE ACTUALLY SAY?” . . . Get a grip, that’s what’s being done here!

        • Arrow says:

          Good. So tell me, what do we conclude from the fact that in Acts 2, Peter quotes Joel’s prophecy and says that it is being fulfilled as he speaks?

          That is my question, not “is Hagee a Harold Camping”, or “is Hagee a good guy” or “How long have you been following Hagee” etc. etc.

          I’m trying to head off out the name-calling and the “you guys always ______”, and stick to what’s important…which is not you or me or Hagee or McDurmon.

      • Poppo says:

        Exactly Right! The bible is our guide.

        The problem that I see is that everyone who studies the bible comes away with a different interpretation. Then those with different views line up and trash each other. No wonder the devil has such power on earth!
        We must Pray, Trust in God, and be ever alert.
        1 Peter 5:8 KJV
        Be sober , be vigilant ; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about , seeking whom he may devour

        • Arrow says:

          Poppo,

          How to know when to have a friendly discussion or make friendly comments, and when to speak out against someone? It’s hard to always know.

          Personally I chose not to pick arguments over eschatology…generally. On the other hand, when people are recklessly mis-using the Bible in ways that cause suffering, death, and misery, I think it is the Christian thing to speak directly and forcefully. Sort of like this:

          Charles Stanley is a dispensational preacher with whom I disagree on some points of eschatology. I think drawn to their logical conclusion some of these teachings can be dangerous.

          John Hagee is a non-orthodox heretic warmonger whose deliberate teaching stirs up hatred and war, bringing or potentially bringing horrible suffering on people.

        • Poppo says:

          Arrow: (comments below)

          Apparently you have found, as I, that the ‘Experts’, the ‘Elders’, and the ‘Ministers’ study and are ‘led by God’, or ‘told by God’ or have secrets revealed to them because of their unique bond and the high degree of trust that God has in them. They then state as fact their interpretation of God’s Word.
          I try to examine as many of the expert views as I can, read and study His word, then quietly believe what I have uncovered. I generally keep these beliefs to myself, as God has not appointed me as his sole interpreter. I think Hagee believes that He was chosen by God to instruct and guide the Israelis lest they be lost. I believe that ultimately they need to accept Christ to spend eternity in Heaven. The problem with Religion is when man decides…

  28. Brian Alexander says:

    God help us, Joel, is something unique happens during the “blood moons.” John Hagee’s salary will increase three fold. The type of language he’s quoting from is symbolic. If the sun were to cease giving its light, all life would end on the Earth. Stars don’t fall to our sky, otherwise, our planet would be destroyed. The Moon doesn’t literally turn to blood, it’s a rock. Gary DeMar probably did the best job I’ve ever seen explaining eschatological language of this nature in his book: “Last Days Madness.” Any time I’ve seen this type of language used in the Bible—is when an empire is about to fall. God’s Word, when accurately preached, will always shake the nations. Why is Hagee popular? Burger King Theology: The idea that we can have Christ our way, rather than his way.

    • Michael Riemer says:

      I agree Brian. Also – John Hagee’s message has an expiration date. It was not valid before this generation nor after this generation. This is from his sermon titled “10 Signs we are the Final Generation.” “the third prophetic major sign that we’re the terminal generation is the rebirth of Israel, on May the fifteenth 1948, that’s the greatest miracle of the 20th century…” When this “terminal generation” as Hagee calls it comes to an end, he will be proved to be a false teacher and prophet; which is someone you do not want to follow. How long is Hagee’s “this generation”? Let us not quibble about the length of generation. Let us give Hagee all the time he needs, 100 years. So by the year 2049 he will be proved to be a false teacher and prophet. For his “Signs” were totally wrong!

      • TIA says:

        The problem is that most people have short attention spans and memories. Just as Congress continues to spend irresponsibly without being held accountable, so the prophecy speculators continue to spread their false teachings without being held accountable. One day all the bills will come due, and it won’t be pretty (remember what happened to the Jews re: Babylon). God has a very good and long memory. I shudder to think of the coming judgment upon America for all the bloodshed (abortion, unjust wars, etc.), not to mention her many other sins.

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